<div dir="ltr">It is nice to not worry about the background and just do some work with rather than on the software .. You can always do that if needed.. That is one of the reasons UbuntuStudia has such a large following. </div><div class="gmail_extra"> <div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Sep 28, 2013 at 7:00 AM, <<a href="mailto:ubuntu-studio-devel-request@lists.ubuntu.com" target="_blank">ubuntu-studio-devel-request@lists.ubuntu.com</a>> wrote: <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Send ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list submissions to <a href="mailto:ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com">ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com</a> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit <a href="https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel" target="_blank">https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel</a> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to <a href="mailto:ubuntu-studio-devel-request@lists.ubuntu.com">ubuntu-studio-devel-request@lists.ubuntu.com</a> You can reach the person managing the list at <a href="mailto:ubuntu-studio-devel-owner@lists.ubuntu.com">ubuntu-studio-devel-owner@lists.ubuntu.com</a> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of ubuntu-studio-devel digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: [LAD] JACK + PA Latency (Ralf Mardorf) 2. Re: [xubuntu-users] Software Updater package? (Ralf Mardorf) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2013 04:40:51 +0200 From: Ralf Mardorf <<a href="mailto:ralf.mardorf@alice-dsl.net">ralf.mardorf@alice-dsl.net</a>> To: <a href="mailto:linux-audio-dev@lists.linuxaudio.org">linux-audio-dev@lists.linuxaudio.org</a> Cc: ubuntu-studio-devel <<a href="mailto:ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com">ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com</a>> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] [LAD] JACK + PA Latency Message-ID: <1380336051.689.31.camel@archlinux> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" [satire] Fons wrote: > Get the PA authors and [snip] rip them apart [snip] Patrick wrote: > There are various reasons for and against doing this [snip] [/satire] SICR to set the quotes in a wrong context ;). I can't understand that e.g. Ubuntu Studio by default combines Jack and PA. Even if PA would be of high quality, I've got serious doubts about the purpose using a combination of sound servers. For me this is a strange kind of Linux audio development. But I understand, discussing it's purpose is not the purpose of this thread. ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2013 10:38:29 +0200 From: Ralf Mardorf <<a href="mailto:ralf.mardorf@alice-dsl.net">ralf.mardorf@alice-dsl.net</a>> To: <a href="mailto:xubuntu-users@lists.ubuntu.com">xubuntu-users@lists.ubuntu.com</a> Cc: ubuntu-studio-devel <<a href="mailto:ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com">ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com</a>> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] [xubuntu-users] Software Updater package? Message-ID: <1380357509.4896.29.camel@archlinux> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" On Sat, 2013-09-28 at 07:38 +0100, Elfy wrote: > Elfy > -- > Ubuntu Forum Council Member > Xubuntu QA Lead# Sure, a package never asked to reboot. IMO you shouldn't add crap like update-manager. The bad with such "tools" is, that people likely will do upgrades without taking care what the upgrades will do, so they never will learn what self-responsibility is and what software is needed for what task, they never will learn how to setup Linux userspace to their needs. This odd approach is new to Linux and completely against what Linux stands for. Regarding o this new approach my main distro for years is Arch Linux and I consider to completely drop other distros such as Xubuntu/Ubuntu Studio, that make this step in the completely wrong direction. Read this: <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KISS_principle" target="_blank">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KISS_principle</a> ! IOW don't add complex and buggy software that in addition is responsible for users who never will learn how to customize a Linux. Don't guess what's best for the users, but show them how they can decide on their own. It's a pity/shame that this approach infiltrates Linux. Don't use this tool or that tool to setup Linux, use an editor and edit this file and that file! Don't upgrade, because upgrades are available! Take a look at the packages and be aware what they are for and then decide what to do! Stop all this nonsense! Regards, Ralf PS: Again to Ubuntu Studio! Why using two sound servers in combination? PPS to both lists: What do you want provide, a less good fake of Microsoft and Apple or something better? Neither fish nor fowl is idiotic! Stay to the origin policy of Linux! 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