<div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="tahoma, sans-serif">For what it is worth, I recently met with a Canonical sales person and a well known Canonical Sales Engineer in person at my work place. They did not give any indication that Xubuntu or any other derivative would stop being supported or recognized. When I expressed my discontent with the newest Ubuntu desktop and that I preferred Xubuntu, they acknowledged that Xubuntu was very good as well and a great option for our workplace deployment...no objections or anything negative about derivatives. </font><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: tahoma, sans-serif; ">I'm not sure where the "Derivatives" link went, but thus far I'm not taking that to mean anything serious yet.</span></div>
<div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="tahoma, sans-serif"><br></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="tahoma, sans-serif">Unless I misunderstand things, there is little difference between the desktop and the server except mostly that the server does not come with a desktop environment installed, thus fewer things running on the server. Perhaps Xubuntu could be used as your server... If you use Ubuntu server as it comes, without a desktop, you won't really care about what the default Ubuntu desktop environment does because there is none. If you want a desktop environment for the server, you can choose whatever one you want...(like the Xubuntu XFCE desktop).</font></div>
<div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="tahoma, sans-serif"><br></font></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: tahoma, sans-serif; ">Hope that helps.</span></div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote">
On Sat, Oct 15, 2011 at 13:36, Len Ovens <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:len@ovenwerks.net">len@ovenwerks.net</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">Since release 11.10 of Ubuntu and server it seems that Canonical has<br>
decided not to support derivatives. Before there was just the one word at<br>
the bottom of the screens under projects in tiny print, but now that is<br>
gone.<br>
<br>
Unity has gotten worse. It hides even more of the system from the user<br>
than before... seems set up for netbooks not desktops. I would guess<br>
Canonical is going after commercial interests. They have been with the<br>
quite openly with the server release which makes much more sense with<br>
their paid for control interface than stand alone. The desktop tries to<br>
make everything full screen with no topbar (window decoration) that would<br>
allow one to set it to the size they want. Unfortunately, this effects<br>
things like Xubuntu installed on top of Ubuntu (this would mean Studio<br>
too) Which I tried on my netbook because unity is so bad... If I wanted<br>
someone to protect me from my own stuff I would have left M$ on here or<br>
got a Mac. While I am sure there is a market for the "new Ubuntu",<br>
Canonical seems to think choice is not an option.<br>
<br>
Where does that leave Studio or Kubuntu or Xubuntu or all the others? It<br>
looks like to install these on top of vanilla Ubuntu is going to take a<br>
much more destructive action and mean no going back to the Ubuntu desktop.<br>
<br>
As bad as people have said this release of Studio is... in my opinion, it<br>
is still better than the desktop version. I think a plain Xubuntu install<br>
is ok too... I'll know when I try it (gotta rescue my netbook somehow). My<br>
other worry is what U server is going to do... I am running server LTS and<br>
when the next LTS comes out I am not sure I will have enough control of it<br>
without paying Canonical for the tools to do so or adding my own. Anybody<br>
know of a derivative that builds on server for a better server? I can't<br>
find the list any more as Canonical has deleted the links to get there.<br>
<br>
Len<br>
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