Hi Ronan,<br><br>I'm not sure what troubles you're having with your mailing list registration (I did get your first response to my e-mail - where you cc'ed Salsaman). Hope you get that sorted out.<br><br>As for the <a href="http://getdeb.net">getdeb.net</a> package of Lives, they don't provide a source package for anyone to view (and the Ubuntu archives requires a source package upload). However, it looks like there is someone attempting to get it packaged for Ubuntu: <a href="http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/lives">http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/lives</a> and they've commented on this bug: <a href="https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/103616">https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/103616</a><br> <br>I'm not a video guy myself and it'd be nice for all the developers to hear a little more about Lives and its capabilities. In particular, is it mostly a NLE, or is it's focus on live effects processing?<br> <br>As for the currently packaged apps that I suggested be added to the video meta,<br>FreeJ - possible, but it's interface is strange<br>EffecTV - seems a little more like a fun toy than a serious gig/production tool<br> Frei0r - no real reason to include this if it's just a library, if a program like Lives or kdenlive is included then it will naturally get installed as a dependency so there's no point in directly including it in the meta<br> GEM - I REALLY think this would be a great addition to the meta.<br><br>Beyond that, I'd like to see Lives packaged, and may contact the person working toward that (ask if they're going to update to 1.0.0 or stick to the 0.9.8).<br> <br>-Eric Hedekar<br><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Aug 2, 2009 at 12:58 PM, Ronan Jouchet <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:ronan@jouchet.fr">ronan@jouchet.fr</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"> <div text="#000000" bgcolor="#ffffff"> Hello Eric,<br> <br> It seems I have some issues with my registration to the <a href="mailto:ubuntu-studio-*@lists.ubuntu.com" target="_blank">ubuntu-studio-*@lists.ubuntu.com</a> mailing lists. By the time I sort them out, here is a forward of a mail I sent as an answer to your "Addition(s) to the Video Meta package".<br> <br> First you have my mail, then Gabriel (LiVES author, <a href="mailto:salsaman@xs4all.nl" target="_blank">salsaman@xs4all.nl</a>) answer. Reposting this to the list and adding your comments would be great. Please CC Gabriel.<br> <br> Thanks,<br> Ronan<br> <br> -------- Original Message -------- <table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"> <tbody> <tr> <th valign="baseline" align="right" nowrap>Subject: </th> <td>Re: Addition(s) to the Video Meta package</td> </tr> <tr> <th valign="baseline" align="right" nowrap>Date: </th> <td>Sat, 1 Aug 2009 15:53:08 +0200</td> </tr> <tr> <th valign="baseline" align="right" nowrap>From: </th> <td><a href="mailto:salsaman@xs4all.nl" target="_blank">salsaman@xs4all.nl</a></td> </tr> <tr> <th valign="baseline" align="right" nowrap>To: </th> <td>Ronan Jouchet <a href="mailto:ronan@jouchet.fr" target="_blank"><ronan@jouchet.fr></a></td> </tr> <tr> <th valign="baseline" align="right" nowrap>CC: </th> <td><a href="mailto:ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com" target="_blank">ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com</a>, <a href="mailto:ubuntu-studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com" target="_blank">ubuntu-studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com</a></td> </tr> </tbody> </table> <br> <br> <pre><div class="im">On Sat, August 1, 2009 13:38, Ronan Jouchet wrote: > Hi Eric, hi everybody, > > My two cents about LiVES: > - Though not officially in ubuntu, it is currently regularly packaged > by the getdeb team (<a href="http://www.getdeb.net/app/LiVES" target="_blank">http://www.getdeb.net/app/LiVES</a></div>). Does it mean it > can be easily suggested via REVU? > - Note also that it has been maturing quite nicely recently, and seems > IMHO one of the most well-maintained apps mentioned here. > > I added salsaman (LiVES author) to this discussion. > > Cheers, > Ronan Yes indeed, LiVES has been receiving increasing attention since the recent stable 1.0.0 release, and the excellent review in Linux Journal: <a href="http://www.linuxjournal.com/content/it-lives-video-editing-foss-movie-makers" target="_blank">http://www.linuxjournal.com/content/it-lives-video-editing-foss-movie-makers</a> As you mention, it is regularly packaged by the team at <a href="http://getdeb.net" target="_blank">getdeb.net</a>, and I have been working closely with them to make sure that the ubuntu version is bug free. This is particularly important to me as the main LiVES development machine is running ubuntu (currently 64 bit Jaunty). Many of my users have asked about why LiVES is not included in ubuntu studio (in fact the question came up just this week at the conference I am at). Since I know a little about these apps I can comment on them. FreeJ is a video application which is mostly used for installations. Rather unusually for a video app, it has an emacs-like inteface. It is well maintained but release are not as frequent as with other apps. It is developed by Jaromil, also known for Rastasoft and dynebolic. EffecTV is one of the most long lived video projects, dating back to the 1990's, developed by Kentaro Fukuchi. It's a simple app which takes a webcam input and applies various realtime effects to it. I think it is currently no longer maintained. Many of the effects have been ported to other applications (for example veejay and LiVES). Frei0r is an effects library/framework developed my members of piksel. <a href="http://www.piksel.org/frei0r" target="_blank">http://www.piksel.org/frei0r</a>. The aim is to provide a basic set of cross platform video effects. The project is growing in popularity, and is currently in use by LiVES and now kdenlive. GEM is an opengl extension for pd (pure data). If you already include pd then it would be logical to include GEM as well since many patches make use of it. pd-vj-tools : strangely enough I am currently at a conference with the authors of this. It is pretty new and may not yet be stable. veejay : a great project, the author seems to have been taking a bit of a break since the 1.0 release, but probably worth including. gephex: an interesting project, but no longer actively maintained. Hope this helps, Salsaman, main developer, LiVES <a href="http://lives.sourceforge.net" target="_blank">http://lives.sourceforge.net</a><div><div></div><div class="h5"> > >> Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2009 13:13:18 -0700 >> From: Eric Hedekar<a href="mailto:afterthebeep@gmail.com" target="_blank"><afterthebeep@gmail.com></a> >> Subject: Addition(s) to the Video Meta package >> To: Ubuntu Studio Users Help and Discussion >> <a href="mailto:ubuntu-studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com" target="_blank"><ubuntu-studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com></a>, "Ubuntu Studio Development& >> Technical Discussion" <a href="mailto:ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com" target="_blank"><ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com></a> >> Message-ID: >> <a href="mailto:bae174f40907271313i268bc759ybf9092ac1147bf08@mail.gmail.com" target="_blank"><bae174f40907271313i268bc759ybf9092ac1147bf08@mail.gmail.com></a> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >> >> Hi Everyone, >> >> I've seen a number of posts to the forums asking about live video >> adjustment software, VJ software and the like. There actually is a >> large >> amount of this available for Linux but none in the Ubuntu Studio video >> meta >> package. Here's a quick list of what I've stumbled upon: >> >> * FreeJ <a href="http://freej.org/" target="_blank">http://freej.org/</a> packaged: >> <a href="http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=freej" target="_blank">http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=freej</a> >> * EffecTV <a href="http://effectv.sourceforge.net/" target="_blank">http://effectv.sourceforge.net/</a> packaged: >> <a href="http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=effectv" target="_blank">http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=effectv</a> >> * frei0r plugins: <a href="http://www.piksel.org/frei0r" target="_blank">http://www.piksel.org/frei0r</a> packaged: >> <a href="http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=frei0r-plugins" target="_blank">http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=frei0r-plugins</a> (more of a >> library than a software package) >> * GEM library for Pure Data <a href="http://gem.iem.at/" target="_blank">http://gem.iem.at/</a> packaged: >> <a href="http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=gem" target="_blank">http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=gem</a> >> * PDvjtools <a href="http://artefacte.org/pd/" target="_blank">http://artefacte.org/pd/</a> not packaged (yet) >> * VeeJay <a href="http://www.veejayhq.net/" target="_blank">http://www.veejayhq.net/</a> not packaged (yet) >> * Gephex <a href="http://www.gephex.org/" target="_blank">http://www.gephex.org/</a> not packaged (yet) >> * Lives <a href="http://lives.sourceforge.net/" target="_blank">http://lives.sourceforge.net/</a> not packaged (yet) >> >> Personally I think any one of these softwares would make a great >> addition to >> the video meta package, but seeing as I'm not a video junkie I really am >> not >> sure if they'll get used. This e-mail is to judge public >> interest/support >> for such an addition to the meta, and if it's positive, which of the >> above >> (or possibly one I haven't listed) would be best? >> Logically, adding one that's already in the repositories would be >> easiest >> for Karmic, but if packaging wasn't a stumbling block I'd prefer to see >> VeeJay added (purely based on the look of it's user interface). The >> libraries for Pure Data would also be nice additions since Pure Data is >> already included in the audio meta. FreeJ also looks good. Thoughts? >> >> -Eric Hedekar ></div></div></pre> </div> </blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>_______________________________________<br> <a href="http://greyrockstudio.blogspot.com">http://greyrockstudio.blogspot.com</a><br>