[ubuntu-studio-devel] Full ISO and some proposals

[Ross Gammon]

Hi Stewart,

You could try installing the Debian multimedia-musiciantools
metapackage. This pulls in Musescore, Lilypond and other tools.

The list is of packages is here:
https://blends.debian.org/multimedia/tasks/musiciantools

There is a bug which I need to fix though, because it does not pull in
the latest musescore package.

Cheers,

Ross

On 9/30/21 7:55 PM, Dr. Stewart Thompson wrote:
> Hi All,
> 
>  
> 
> I usually keep out of discussions but as a music publisher I felt this
> hits my area of work.
> 
>  
> 
> It sounds odd but I broadly support this, even as someone who has used
> Ubuntu Studio as a publishing tool. First and foremost is that even with
> the availability of MusicXML Sibelius, Finale and Dorico still dominate
> the publishing profession, Encore in the US and Capella in Europe also
> still have users. They then tend to move to Adobe in the publishing
> process. I use a mixture of this or MuseScore/Scribus etc to produce our
> materials but also produce in-house so don’t need to have too much issue
> with needing to interact. If it’s a big job or cross firm we boot up
> Windows and use what we need.
> 
>  
> 
> Realistically I’d rather have the audio set up and out of the box then
> add in publishing materials as I need. It’s generally a fairly small set
> of programmes so if you are pinching for space it makes sense.   
> 
>  
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> *From: *Erich Eickmeyer <mailto:eeickmeyer at ubuntu.com>
> *Sent: *30 September 2021 18:19
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> *Subject: *[ubuntu-studio-devel] Full ISO and some proposals
> 
>  
> 
> Hi all,
> 
>  
> 
> We hit a limit. Apparently, between Sunday the 26th and Monday the 27th,
> the
> 
> squashfs hit the technical limit of 4.0GB on our ISO image. Per ISO
> 9660, this
> 
> is a hard limit as the file system is incapable of having a single file
> more
> 
> than 4GB in size (the squashfs acts as a single file on the root of the
> ISO).
> 
> Unfortunately, this means we need to take a hard look at what we
> preinstall by
> 
> default and start eliminating some items.
> 
>  
> 
> As an emergency, I went ahead and removed a few duplicate items and one
> fairly
> 
> large item, but it opened my eyes to a bigger picture issue. More on that
> 
> later.
> 
>  
> 
> In terms of deduplicating functionality, I removed jackd (not jackd2) since
> 
> you can only have one anyhow. Also, I removed lmms which, in mine and Len's
> 
> opinion, is an application that is stuck in the past using the older ladpsa
> 
> (LV1) plugins and refuses to get any update. This is in favor of Ardour
> as our
> 
> DAW of choice.
> 
>  
> 
> Other items:
> 
>  
> 
> * Switched from ksysguard to the new plasma-systemmonitor for the desktop
> 
> * Removed raysession in favor of agordejo and new-session-manager combined,
> 
> which provides the same functionality with more backend support.
> 
> * Removed simple-scan in favor of skanlite (a KDE scanner app)
> 
>  
> 
> However, this is just a bandaid.
> 
>  
> 
> My proposal is that we drop publishing as a category of apps that we
> install
> 
> beginning with 22.04. My reasoning is that we're not very well-known for
> being
> 
> a desktop publishing platform, and it blurs the line between "studio" and
> 
> general-purpose. Moreover, people doing desktop publishing aren't exactly
> 
> looking at Ubuntu Studio as we rarely see any questions about it. In fact,
> 
> when people are reviewing Studio, they're a little surprised and
> perplexed to
> 
> see such tools.
> 
>  
> 
> Len pointed out that while we could remove the publishing items, he feared
> 
> that items in the graphics category would get removed. I assured him  that
> 
> this is not the case; that while there's some overlap, removing the
> publishing
> 
> meta would not remove any graphics items since the graphics meta still
> pullse
> 
> those items in.
> 
>  
> 
> Removing the publishing meta would remove the following from the ISO:
> 
>  
> 
> * scribus
> 
> * calibre
> 
> * pdfshuffler
> 
> * plume-creator
> 
>  
> 
> I know this doesn't sound like much, but I think it would be good to
> save some
> 
> space and no longer support desktop publishing as a category of items we
> 
> install by default.
> 
>  
> 
> Let me know what you think.
> 
> Erich
> 
>  
> 
> -- 
> 
> Erich Eickmeyer
> 
> Project Leader - Ubuntu Studio
> 
> Member - Ubuntu Community Council
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