[ubuntu-studio-devel] ubuntu-studio-devel Digest, Vol 158, Issue 4
Mario Buoninfante
mario.buoninfante at gmail.com
Sat Aug 15 17:12:15 UTC 2020
Hi,
I'd echo what Erich said and also add that from what I see, the issues you have are with the companies that make the software you want to use.
You should ask Arturia and the others to make their software Linux compatible.
In 2020 this is not only doable, but easy as well (see Bitwig).
I think we all should stop asking the Linux community (mainly people who don't even get paid for their herculean efforts) to make the effort and create / update pieces of code that run Win or Mac software (if you stop a sec and think about it, that's huge as a thing!).
Let's go to the big companies and let them understand they have to make their work Linux compatible.
My 2 cents, and I realize it's also a bit out of topic here, so apologies.
Cheers,
Mario
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> Date: Sat, 15 Aug 2020 10:34:17 -0400
> From: Peter Reppert <preppert at gmail.com>
> To: ubuntu-studio-devel at lists.ubuntu.com
> Subject: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Virtual Instrument Gap
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> TLDR: The inability to run a wide spectrum of music software on Linux is
> getting worse to the point many will throw in the towel.
>
> I know this is an old saw and may be the wrong forum to even mention it,
> but here goes. I am a keyboard player and I like virtual instruments (VST
> plugins). As nice as all the other capabilities of a DAW are, the ability
> to use VST synths is possibly the best feature. There are hundreds of free
> ones, and while very few run natively, it's possible to use them via Wine.
> I think you know where this is headed...
> The latest VSTs, both free and commercial ones from companies like
> Spectrasonics and Arturia, do not run on the older versions of Windows
> supported by Wine (Vista is the latest). I have encountered other problems
> listed below, but the inability to run up-to-date plugins is getting to be
> a show stopper for any keyboard player who wants to move beyond vintage
> sounds and outdated sample libraries. This isn't just gear lust - the newer
> instruments are *demonstrably* better with richer sounds, better
> interfaces, etc. Running Ubuntu Studio feels like being walled off from a
> cornucopia of options, whether or not one takes the plunge with this or
> that product or freebie.
>
> *Other issues*
>
> - Can't run the 64-bit version of (non-Linux) VST plugins.
> - Using - even brushing against - the mod wheel or anything other than
> volume on the controller crashes Carla.That did not used to happen. Not to
> mention almost always having to configure MIDI CC mapping for each new VST
> (and I've never had any luck storing these, so add "on every session")
> - GuitariX hums like a cheap tube amp the second you plug in a guitar.
> - Numerous other annoyances, crashes, and general clunkiness, some
> degree of which we can all put up with (and can of course happen in Windows
> or MacOS).
>
> Now I am looking to get an 88-key controller, and there again, any bundled
> software won't run on my Ubuntu Studio laptop. MIDI controllers often map
> onboard knobs, faders, and transport controls to a handful of popular DAWs
> - never Ardour (luckily Reaper is supported).
> If I want to run any contemporary commercial music software, they are
> recommending 8 GHz, which means it's time for a hardware upgrade. I don't
> need to be on the cutting edge of everything, and appreciate all the work
> that's gone into Ubuntu Studio, not to mention the seemingly limitless
> free/shareware out there. But I am going to hold my nose and at least start
> out running Windows. I suspect the same chain of reasoning is going to
> happen for a lot of other keyboard players as they upgrade their systems.
> Again my apologies if this is old news. I'm sure musicians have been
> switching operating systems as long as digital recording has been around.
> It just feels like Ubuntu Studio is going obsolete vis-a-vis current
> not-terribly-expensive yet mind-blowing software, especially for keyboard
> players and music producers.
> Hobbyists and non-musicians can do a lot on their phones and you can even
> run a DAW on a tablet. Pro and semi-pro musicians and engineers are going
> with ProTools or similar without giving Linux a moment's consideration. If
> you can afford a computer, you can almost certainly afford a commercial DAW
> without the need to change OS. Who is Ubuntu Studio for?
>
> Is there the remotest hope that more software will come out in three
> flavors?
> My guess is the software companies can't justify supporting Linux. Has
> anyone approached them? Is there anything on the horizon to solve the
> problem of running recent Windows/Mac applications, maybe without a bridge?
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> From: Erich Eickmeyer <eeickmeyer at ubuntu.com>
> To: Ubuntu Studio Development <ubuntu-studio-devel at lists.ubuntu.com>
> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Virtual Instrument Gap
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> On 8/15/2020 7:34 AM, Peter Reppert wrote:
> > TLDR: The inability to run a wide spectrum of music software on Linux
> > is getting worse to the point many will throw in the towel.
> >
> > I know this is an old saw and may be the wrong forum to even mention
> > it, but here goes. I am a keyboard player and I like virtual
> > instruments (VST plugins). As nice as all the other capabilities of a
> > DAW are, the ability to use VST synths is possibly the best feature.
> > There are hundreds of free ones, and while very few run natively, it's
> > possible to use them via Wine. I think you know where this is headed...
> > The latest VSTs, both free and commercial ones from companies like
> > Spectrasonics and Arturia, do not run on the older versions of Windows
> > supported by Wine (Vista is the latest). I have encountered other
> > problems listed below, but the inability to run up-to-date plugins is
> > getting to be a show stopper for any keyboard player who wants to move
> > beyond vintage sounds and outdated sample libraries. This isn't just
> > gear lust - the newer instruments are /demonstrably/ better with
> > richer sounds, better interfaces, etc. Running Ubuntu Studio feels
> > like being walled off from a cornucopia of options, whether or not one
> > takes the plunge with this or that product or freebie.
> >
> > *Other issues*
> >
> > * Can't run the 64-bit version of (non-Linux) VST plugins.
> > * Using - even brushing against - the mod wheel or anything other
> > than volume on the controller crashes Carla.That did not used to
> > happen. Not to mention almost always having to configure MIDI CC
> > mapping for each new VST (and I've never had any luck storing
> > these, so add "on every session")
> > * GuitariX hums like a cheap tube amp the second you plug in a guitar.
> > * Numerous other annoyances, crashes, and general clunkiness, some
> > degree of which we can all put up with (and can of course happen
> > in Windows or MacOS).
> >
> >
> > Now I am looking to get an 88-key controller, and there again, any
> > bundled software won't run on my Ubuntu Studio laptop. MIDI
> > controllers often map onboard knobs, faders, and transport controls to
> > a handful of popular DAWs - never Ardour (luckily Reaper is supported).
> > If I want to run any contemporary commercial music software, they
> > are recommending 8 GHz, which means it's time for a hardware upgrade.
> > I don't need to be on the cutting edge of everything, and appreciate
> > all the work that's gone into Ubuntu Studio, not to mention the
> > seemingly limitless free/shareware out there. But I am going to hold
> > my nose and at least start out running Windows. I suspect the same
> > chain of reasoning is going to happen for a lot of other keyboard
> > players as they upgrade their systems.
> > Again my apologies if this is old news. I'm sure musicians have
> > been switching operating systems as long as digital recording has been
> > around. It just feels like Ubuntu Studio is going obsolete vis-a-vis
> > current not-terribly-expensive yet mind-blowing software, especially
> > for keyboard players and music producers.
> > Hobbyists and non-musicians can do a lot on their phones and you can
> > even run a DAW on a tablet. Pro and semi-pro musicians and engineers
> > are going with ProTools or similar without giving Linux a moment's
> > consideration. If you can afford a computer, you can almost certainly
> > afford a commercial DAW without the need to change OS. Who is Ubuntu
> > Studio for?
> >
> > Is there the remotest hope that more software will come out in three
> > flavors?
> > My guess is the software companies can't justify supporting Linux.
> > Has anyone approached them? Is there anything on the horizon to solve
> > the problem of running recent Windows/Mac applications, maybe without
> > a bridge?
> >
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> >
> Peter,
>
> You of all people should know this: if you're having trouble with
> software, such as your issues with Carla or Guitarix, report bugs. This
> is stuff that the developers need to know. For Carla, for instance,
> report your issues with the VST plugins and the mod wheel issues to
> https://github.com/falktx/Carla. For guitarix, report that to
> https://sourceforge.net/p/guitarix/bugs/.
>
> I understand your frustration, but you're seriously barking up the wrong
> tree here. You need to go to the source of the software, not the people
> who distribute it. Ubuntu Studio is a *distribution* of software, not a
> *developer* of software. I don't understand where the myth comes from
> that we, Ubuntu Studio, develop the software we include. This couldn't
> be further from the truth. The truth is, we develop two pieces of
> software: Ubuntu Studio Installer and Studio Controls. That's it. Yes,
> Len helps with developing Ardour, but he is far from the main developer.
>
> My best suggestion to you is to try the Linux-native software. For
> instance, for a DAW, I *highly* recommend Ardour, which is
> cross-platform and mostly funded by Harrison Consoles. Harrison has been
> the mixing consoles behind some of the top recording artists of our
> time, so it's a quality product. If you want to go a step further,
> Harrision derives Harrision Mixbus from Ardour as a commercial product
> with a different DSP to simulate that of an analog console.
>
> Additionally, I am trying *desperately* to get more audio and instrument
> plugins included, but I'm running up against a huge wall: the Ubuntu
> archive review process. I had 8 packages recently take a whole *month*
> to get through the process to be included in Ubuntu Groovy Gorilla
> (future 20.10), the majority of which are audio plugins.
>
> Moreover, you do know that Ubuntu Studio is a 100% volunteer-driven
> product. Nobody, not even myself, gets paid anything for working on this
> distribution. None of us really have the time or the clout to be going
> to software developers and requesting Linux versions of software.
> Believe it or not, they want to hear from the users, not distributors.
>
> To summarize, you're telling us stuff we already know and have zero
> control over. I guess I don't know what you expect us to do, because
> there's nothing we can do beyond tell you how you can get involved.
> You've done great stuff with the Audio Handbook, and it would be nice to
> get an updated version. However, if your frustration level is what it is
> and you're ready to throw-in the towel, then use what works best for
> you. I'm not telling you that Ubuntu Studio is the best out there, but
> we are trying hard to get it that way.
>
> Thanks,
> Erich
>
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> Erich Eickmeyer
> Project Leader
> Ubuntu Studio
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