[ubuntu-studio-devel] Would Ubuntu Studio Team be Interested in Partnering with New England Conservatory?

lukefromdc at hushmail.com lukefromdc at hushmail.com
Sun Jul 10 17:57:58 UTC 2016

There is one limitation to "If the community prefers to use Google Hangouts, it would be highly 
counterproductive if you did not, particularly if you are a involved in the work being discussed."
That is that some people do not have Google accounts and in fact some people cannot make
them due to the "real names" policy and the Google policy of asking for SMS verification in
cases where they don't like the browser, the IP address, or think the personal information isn't
someone's real name. 

That may not apply if all those who would be actually participating in the discussion already
have Google accounts, but would apply to a discussion including one or more persons who 
do not have or want Google accounts for other reasons, or simply cannot make them. That's
not a matter of whether or not to oppose non-free services, but rather a matter of picking
a communications method that is physically usable by all participants. 

This is not about me, as most of my work these days is on MATE plus testing kdenlive git.
Don't worry about me not being on Google. Instead my advice is to  figure out if all the folks 
who would be using the  "hangout" already have accounts or not and go forward from there. 

Yes, Google has issues-but if that led to ad networks using Ubuntustudio instead of Windows
to make their ads, or to the NSA using UbuntuStudio to make their presentations to politicans
I don't see how that would harm the project.

On 7/10/2016 at 6:42 AM, "Kaj Ailomaa" <zequence at mousike.me> wrote:
>On Sun, Jul 10, 2016, at 12:13 PM, Set Hallstrom wrote:
>> On 2016-07-10 11:48, Kaj Ailomaa wrote:
>> > It would evidently exclude one person - the project lead, who 
>is not
>> > ready to be flexible enough to meet the needs of the rest of 
>the team.
>> I'm affraid it is not up to you to decide. And i find it 
>ironcial that
>> you of all past project leads invoke flexibility.
>> But sure, set up a vote: Who is the villain that should be 
>fired? Good
>> Ubuntu Studio spirit my friend.
>Not sure what you are talking about here. So, I will not comment on
>Also, though I can agree that I'm overly harsh with my words (as I 
>often am), I would still rather focus on the issue at hand. Which 
>about Google Hangouts.
>So, let me say this one last thing about the discussion whether we
>should or should not use Google Hangouts.
>1. Ubuntu Studio does not have a policy for/against Google 
>Historically we have used them plenty. So, historically it is 
>we use. This means, though it is not in writing we actually do 
>have a
>policy for using Google services.
>2. It is your personal opinion that we should not use Google 
>If you prefer not to use them, start a discussion about it, and 
>see who
>is for/against. Since, in fact, it is no one who chooses that but 
>3. If the community prefers to use Google Hangouts, it would be 
>counterproductive if you did not, particularly if you are a 
>involved in
>the work being discussed. And, you already knew coming to Ubuntu 
>that we are not a political movement against non-free services 
>Google Hangouts can hardly be deemed as a threat against free and 
>communication, rather the opposite). So, logic dictates that you 
>use the services if the community wishes it.
>Jimmy knew this, out of experience. So, naturally, he would suggest
>using something like Google Hangouts for live communication.
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