[ubuntu-studio-devel] ubuntu-studio-devel Digest, Vol 101, Issue 50

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> Today's Topics:
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>    1. Re:  Artwork license (lukefromdc at hushmail.com)
>    2.   Artwork license (Mike Holstein)
>    3. Re:  ISO breakage (Kaj Ailomaa)
>    4. Re:  ISO breakage (Kaj Ailomaa)
>    5. Re:  ISO breakage (Kaj Ailomaa)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2015 18:05:42 -0400
> From: lukefromdc at hushmail.com
> To: "Ubuntu Studio Development & Technical Discussion"
> 	<ubuntu-studio-devel at lists.ubuntu.com>
> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Artwork license
> Message-ID: <20150921220542.592C0200DA at smtp.hushmail.com>
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> That's a good point. Consider this scenario: People put their names on everything.
> and the software is used by insurgents against a repressive regime. Unable to catch
> the insurgents, the regime in question simply goes after any and all persons whose 
> names can be tied to the work, copyright holders of the tools included.
> 
> Here in the US, if someone is arrested with a cell phone, every person whose phone
> number is in that phone is potentially placed at risk if the case is "hot" enough. In 
> addition, metadata attached to finished work can be used to tie one piece of work
> to another. That plus concealing the camera I use is why all jpegs I publish shot from
> my camera are stripped of their metadata. For years I have encouraged the anonymization
> of such things: if you always strip metadata, you won't forget to do so when it really 
> counts, like when a police shooting triggers an uprising and police hunt independent
> cameramen and videographers for "evidence." 
> 
> It is also a common practice here that when underground activists put "points on the 
> board" against something like logging or gas fracking, aboveground activists whose 
> names are known are harassed. 
> 
> There is a lot of media published by those who must conceal their true names! I don't
> permit my "legal" name to cross the Internet, and release the news media pieces I 
> write to public domain with no names on photos or videos other than those of other
> activists who want their names used and provided 3ed party media.
> 
> 
> On 9/21/2015 at 5:29 AM, "Ralf Mardorf" <ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net> wrote:
> >
> >On Mon, 21 Sep 2015 09:28:15 +0200, ttoine wrote:
> >>why not the latest CC-by-sa 4.0 ?
> >
> >Hi,
> >
> >I don't want to read texts I'm anyway unable to understand, because
> >they are written in lawyer language, instead I prefer to read how 
> >to
> >make a svg file look equal, what ever application is used to open 
> >the
> >svg file.
> >Assumed I should use the Ubuntu Studio logo from the
> >ubuntustudio-icon-theme package, can I update the license?
> >
> >$ dpkg -l ubuntustudio-icon-theme|tail -n1|awk '{print $2" "$3}'
> >ubuntustudio-icon-theme 0.16
> >$ grep CC-BY-SA /usr/share/doc/ubuntustudio-icon-theme/copyright
> >License: CC-BY-SA-2.5
> >
> >[ironic] If somebody should misuse a Creative Commons spray paint
> >stencils, would the police in some countries knock on the doors of 
> >the
> >copyright holders? [/ironic]
> >
> >Sharing art was much easier in the punk-rocking 80s. Still today I
> >would make my own art public without a license.
> >
> >The other question was about meta data add by applications. I 
> >didn't
> >miss a law that nowadays enforces us to mention the used tools to
> >create a jpg, png, svg?
> >
> >For art I made in the past I never mentioned Canon AE-1 Program,
> >DeVilbiss Aerograph "Super 63", Yamaha DX7, Yamaha SPX90II, Fender
> >150XL or what ever else was used.
> >
> >A wallpaper I already made without the Ubuntu Studio logo includes
> >
> >$ exiftool Pictures/moonstudio_wallpaper_1.png | grep Comment
> >Comment                         : Created with GIMP
> >
> >because it's a default for GIMP. Is it just craving for 
> >recognition by
> >the coders or do they help to fulfil laws?
> >
> >I never mentioned, if I used a Da Vinci Kolinsky or a No-name
> >Kolinsky or if I used water-colours from Schmincke or not.
> >
> >My understanding is, that comments mentioning the software that was
> >used can be removed. Namespace data for svg sometimes perhaps can't
> >be removed, but I guess it's allowed to rename "Adobe" to "foo" and
> >"Inkscape" to "bar".
> >
> >I'm serious! I've got concerns against all that sharing of data.
> >Making art I don't have secret recipes, I'm willing to share all
> >information, but I dislike to include advertising and privacy data 
> >to a
> >file of a picture or song.
> >
> >Regards,
> >Ralf
> >
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> Message: 2
> Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2015 18:19:01 -0400
> From: Mike Holstein <mikeh789 at gmail.com>
> To: "Ubuntu Studio Development & Technical Discussion"
> 	<ubuntu-studio-devel at lists.ubuntu.com>
> Subject: [ubuntu-studio-devel]  Artwork license
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> On Monday, September 21, 2015, Ralf Mardorf <ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net');>> wrote:
> 
> > On Mon, 21 Sep 2015 09:28:15 +0200, ttoine wrote:
> > >why not the latest CC-by-sa 4.0 ?
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > I don't want to read texts I'm anyway unable to understand, because
> > they are written in lawyer language, instead I prefer to read how to
> > make a svg file look equal, what ever application is used to open the
> > svg file.
> > Assumed I should use the Ubuntu Studio logo from the
> > ubuntustudio-icon-theme package, can I update the license?
> >
> > $ dpkg -l ubuntustudio-icon-theme|tail -n1|awk '{print $2" "$3}'
> > ubuntustudio-icon-theme 0.16
> > $ grep CC-BY-SA /usr/share/doc/ubuntustudio-icon-theme/copyright
> > License: CC-BY-SA-2.5
> >
> > [ironic] If somebody should misuse a Creative Commons spray paint
> > stencils, would the police in some countries knock on the doors of the
> > copyright holders? [/ironic]
> >
> > Sharing art was much easier in the punk-rocking 80s. Still today I
> > would make my own art public without a license.
> >
> > The other question was about meta data add by applications. I didn't
> > miss a law that nowadays enforces us to mention the used tools to
> > create a jpg, png, svg?
> >
> > For art I made in the past I never mentioned Canon AE-1 Program,
> > DeVilbiss Aerograph "Super 63", Yamaha DX7, Yamaha SPX90II, Fender
> > 150XL or what ever else was used.
> >
> > A wallpaper I already made without the Ubuntu Studio logo includes
> >
> > $ exiftool Pictures/moonstudio_wallpaper_1.png | grep Comment
> > Comment                         : Created with GIMP
> >
> > because it's a default for GIMP. Is it just craving for recognition by
> > the coders or do they help to fulfil laws?
> >
> > I never mentioned, if I used a Da Vinci Kolinsky or a No-name
> > Kolinsky or if I used water-colours from Schmincke or not.
> >
> > My understanding is, that comments mentioning the software that was
> > used can be removed. Namespace data for svg sometimes perhaps can't
> > be removed, but I guess it's allowed to rename "Adobe" to "foo" and
> > "Inkscape" to "bar".
> >
> > I'm serious! I've got concerns against all that sharing of data.
> 
> 
> No one will make you share anything. Is that the question? How to make a
> file with no meta data? I think, it's safe to assume graphics are created
> and/or edited in a graphics manipulation program. Identifying said program
> really just does that. It identifies the tool. Advertising for said tool is
> a great reason. Maybe the developers of gimp would have more to offer on
> the decision to include metadata that identifies the tool. I'm +1 for
> leaving that identifying information in by default. I'm sure we can discuss
> constructively how to create a file in gimp or Linux, generally, without
> said identifiers.
> 
> 
> 
> > Making art I don't have secret recipes, I'm willing to share all
> > information, but I dislike to include advertising and privacy data to a
> > file of a picture or song.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Ralf
> >
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> Message: 3
> Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2015 10:15:16 +0200
> From: Kaj Ailomaa <zequence at mousike.me>
> To: ubuntu-studio-devel at lists.ubuntu.com
> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] ISO breakage
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> On Fri, Sep 18, 2015, at 09:20 AM, Kaj Ailomaa wrote:
> > On Thu, Sep 17, 2015, at 11:44 PM, Ross Gammon wrote:
> > > On 09/17/2015 09:48 PM, Len Ovens wrote:
> > > > Hmm, our ISO is not building. Problem seems to be:
> > > > ------------------8<-------------------
> > > > The following packages have unmet dependencies:
> > > >  python-enum : Conflicts: python-enum34 but 1.0.4-2 is to be installed
> > > > E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages.
> > > > -------------------8<------------------
> > > > 
> > 
> > This is usually a problem with a version mismatch.
> > 
> 
> 
> Seems python-enum was made to conflict with python-enum34. This due to
> python-enum not being available to laditools, if python-enum34 is also
> installed. Not really a fix, but the situation renders all ladi tools
> unusable, so I'm temporarily removing Gladish from our seeds so our ISOs
> can build.
> 
> 
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> Message: 4
> Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2015 10:16:03 +0200
> From: Kaj Ailomaa <zequence at mousike.me>
> To: ubuntu-studio-devel at lists.ubuntu.com
> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] ISO breakage
> Message-ID:
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> Debian bug: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=795444
> New LP bug:
> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntustudio-meta/+bug/1498345
> 
> 
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> Message: 5
> Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2015 12:48:35 +0200
> From: Kaj Ailomaa <zequence at mousike.me>
> To: ubuntu-studio-devel at lists.ubuntu.com
> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] ISO breakage
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> On Thu, Sep 17, 2015, at 11:44 PM, Ross Gammon wrote:
> > The "conflicts" was added very recently:
> > https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=795444
> > 
> > I am not sure how the black listing works, but certainly enum & enum34
> > cannot live together.
> > 
> > I suppose python-enum34 has to be kept, as there are quite few reverse
> > dependencies. Bit of a shame though. We could always ask Alessio (Debian
> > Multimedia Team) who seems to have forked laditools if he believes
> > laditools could be made to work with enum34?
> > 
> 
> Ah, sorry. You already were on top of the problem.
> 
> If anyone wants to try to fix this for the sake of reintroducing ladi to
> Ubuntu Studio, be my guest.
> Either laditools needs to be able to import python-enum, if both
> python-enum and python-enum34 are installed at the same time (and the
> conflict can then be removed), or as Ross suggests, laditools needs to
> be rewritten to support python-enum34.
> 
> 
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