[ubuntu-studio-devel] continued as per request, from IRC

Mike Holstein mikeh789 at gmail.com
Sat Aug 22 01:39:58 UTC 2015

On Thu, Aug 20, 2015 at 4:49 PM, Len Ovens <len at ovenwerks.net> wrote:

> On Thu, 20 Aug 2015, Mike Holstein wrote:
> 15:48 < zequence> holstein: I really urge you to put your thoughts down
>> and write
>> an email instead
>> 15:48 < holstein> well, its fashionable to not like ubuntu..  and, thats
>> something larger than ubuntustudio.. but, when folks go to #ardour, for
>>                   example, and the major piece of advice is "whatever you
>> do,
>> dont use ubuntustudio", i would like to think about why
> That is not really true, "don't use Ubuntu" Yes I see that... and probably
> with good cause. It is possible to get good results with Unity, easy to get
> bad results. Certainly Studio sometimes just gets lumped in with Ubuntu.
> And when suggesting a distro made for Audio, generally kxstudio or avlinux
> are the two mentioned. However, I have heard UbuntuStudio recommended
> sometimes as well. (especially lately as kxstudio has had some issues
> related to KDE)

i dont share that viewpoint, personally, that folks shouldnt use
ubuntustudio. i feel like i had to make an effort, though, to sit in
#ardour, and address each comment that i saw, for a time, and ask that
folks try the more recent versions before making blanket statements..

> Studio has some good stuff:
>         - xfce
>         - a good set of applications
>         - audio and RT allready works
> On the other side:
>         - LTS releases with sometimes the buggiest release of some
>                 required audio utilities.
>         - LTS releases mean that by the time the next one comes out
>                 the old one is hopelessly behind. Kubuntu may have
>                 the best way of dealing with this by trying to make
>                 each release LTS-able. Anything based on debian, tends
>                 to be release based.
>         - It is not easy to update an LTS, the policys for adding a new
>                 version for anything besides bugs is not an easy road to
>                 take.
> It takes a lot of work to keep an LTS current and we just haven't been
> able to do that. Both kx and av add the latest versions to their repos
> within days (minutes sometimes)... they can do so because they own the
> repos and manage them.
> We could set up an upgrade repo ppa, but I do not know if that is what
> Ubuntu is all about. Ubuntu flavours are meant to use the Ubuntu repos.
> Directions we could go that remain Ubuntu-ish but still make a good distro
> for audio:
> remove module-udev-detect from pulseaudio and run jackd as the only back
> end. So jackdbus would start at session start and pulse would use either
> jack or dummy as it's only backends.
> Create a udev utility that replaces module-udev-detect for PA with
> something that adds a plugged in audio IF to jack on the fly. The user in
> -controls would be asked or allowed to determine if the new device became
> the jack maser device or if it was added via zita-a2j/j2a. If the (probably
> USB) new device was to be master, the internal would then get added via
> zita-a2j/j2a.
> These two things alone would make Studio unique in the Linux audio world
> and would solve more than 50% of support requests both in ubuntuStudio and
> in other places like #Ardour.
> Make performance mode default with the option when battery operation is
> detected to goto a slower speed or ondemand. (in general a slower
> _constant_ speed is better for low latency)
> Note on performance mode: I have found that performance mode runs cooler
> at high CPU use than ondemand. Ondemand is good for mostly idle use.
> Allow sw update stuff to be turned off while doing audio intensive stuff
> (stop cron works for me).
> Any place I have mentioned starting jack should include a2jmidid, using
> a2j_control seems to be more reliable for me than using a2jmidid directly.
> Note that this whole topic is audio only and does not address other
> workflows in Studio. It happens to be what I know :)  Also, I have not
> mentioned the tweaks we already do for audio which should remain.
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