Ubuntu-Studio-devel Digest, Vol 73, Issue 22

Fri May 24 07:10:44 UTC 2013

Installed LightWorks on US 64 13.04 yesterday ... seems to work nicely..

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>    1. Re: Making Studio work with more than one DE (Kaj Ailomaa)
>    2. Re: Making Studio work with more than one DE
>       (lukefromdc at hushmail.com)
>    3. Re: Making Studio work with more than one DE (Kaj Ailomaa)
>    4. Re: Making Studio work with more than one DE
>       (lukefromdc at hushmail.com)
>    5. Re: Making Studio work with more than one DE (Kaj Ailomaa)
>    6. Re: Making Studio work with more than one DE
>       (lukefromdc at hushmail.com)
>    7. Re: Making Studio work with more than one DE (Len Ovens)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Thu, 23 May 2013 21:01:56 +0200
> From: Kaj Ailomaa <zequence at mousike.me>
> To: ubuntu-studio-devel at lists.ubuntu.com
> Subject: Re: Making Studio work with more than one DE
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> On Thu, May 23, 2013, at 08:48 PM, Mike Holstein wrote:
> > On May 23, 2013 2:35 PM, <lukefromdc at hushmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > Surely there are more people who want to make US work with any
> > > particular desktop
> >
> > I have always just used the applications with whatever DE I have
> > wanted...
> > Ubuntu studio uses xfce. That is what we mostly test for. There is
> > nothing
> > we do that should prevent the packages from working with whatever to want
> > to use. I'll try and look more closely at this thread, but, what is the
> > issue? It should be as simple as installing the applications you want to
> > use. Think of it this way... Install what you want.. Kubuntu, for
> > example..
> > It Ubuntu and add KDE... Install what specific apps you want. Then, you
> > are
> > not using Ubuntu studio... You are using the audio/video applications you
> > want with the DE you want. You can take advantage of the Ubuntu/Ubuntu
> > studio packages with whatever you want. You are welcome and encouraged to
> > do so... But, you are not running Ubuntu studio at that point. Still, it
> > should be as easy as installing what you want and configuring... What are
> > the specific issues that are preventing that? Cheers!
> >
>
> Recently, we have begun work on looking at if we can add more desktop
> metas to our set of installable meta packages.
> Nothing decided yet, and nothing ready to even try out so far. The Gnome
> desktop seems not usable at this stage in saucy. KDE is planned. Both
> LXDE and Unity have been talked about.
> The idea is that if we do offer more than one choice, XFCE will be the
> default, but the user can choose another DE during installation.
>
> Each DE needs a developer. So, if no one is interested in doing a Unity
> variant, for instance, then there won't be one. Right now, we have
> people working at enabling Gnome3 and KDE.
>
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> Message: 2
> Date: Thu, 23 May 2013 15:14:39 -0400
> From: lukefromdc at hushmail.com
> To: "Ubuntu Studio Development & Technical Discussion"
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> Subject: Re: Making Studio work with more than one DE
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> I heard Kdenlive has 30+ developers, meaning it would be a full-time job
> or more for
> one person to write another video editor as capable as Kdenlive from
> scratch.
> This kind of collaboration makes FOSS programs or of course the whole
> OS distros possible. With enough people each working a small part of the
> problem
> as a hobby or because they just plain need to use it, the job gets done.
>
> Example: Someone on the MLT project managed to write code to use GLSL
> shader language directly, bypassing all that OpenCL development that is
> nowhere
> near done for open drivers. Shotcut, which is based on GPU Compute, can now
> use that code, and also gives excellent OpenGL playback of XML files
> generated
> by Kdenlive.
>
> I doubt it will be long before the new MLT capablities exposed by Shotcut
> find their way into Kdenlive. If not, Shotcut can do things Kdenlive can't
> do
> yet, such as good interpolation of clips shot at too low a framerate. On
> the
> other hand, Shotcut works more like Avidemux than an NLE, so I only know
> how to use it on individual clips, a finished render or on one of
> Kdenlive's
> XML project tiles.
>
> If the Shotcut and Kdenlive teams ever merged, I suspect one hell of a
> video
> editor would come from that mating, one as good as anything on the market.
> The real hard work for GPU computer has already been done, after all.
>
> Needless to say, Kdenlive, Shotcut, MLT, and ffmpeg/avconv are all free
> projects!
>
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> On 05/23/2013 at 5:21 AM, "Ralf Mardorf" <ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net>
> wrote:
> >
> >Programming NLVE is very time consuming, IOW expensive, so it's
> >hard to
> >do for free. There is NLVE software for Windows and OsX machines
> >that
> >already can be used with averaged home PCs.
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> Message: 3
> Date: Thu, 23 May 2013 22:15:33 +0200
> From: Kaj Ailomaa <zequence at mousike.me>
> To: ubuntu-studio-devel at lists.ubuntu.com
> Subject: Re: Making Studio work with more than one DE
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> On Thu, May 23, 2013, at 08:35 PM, lukefromdc at hushmail.com wrote:
> > Surely there are more people who want to make US work with any
> > particular desktop than there are desktops!  I did the Cinnamon work
> > myself
> > for the legacy desktop, simply so I could use it Have all the necessary
> > files to
> > make it work. Only hassle is that the Cinnamon menus for some reason
> > ignore the
> > UbuntuStudio A/V submenus, instead putting all the A/V apps into "sound
> > and video"
> > no matter what you do in the menu editor. The submenus show up in the
> > menu editor,
> > so my guess it its just a Cinnamon bug that will eventually be taken care
> > of.
> >
> > Anyone else wants to use Cinnamon in UbuntuStudio, I have what you need
> > at least for the legacy themes, can send out tar.gz files.
> >
> > I recommend it only for relatively powerful machines with modern graphics
> > cards
> > and  multicore processors. All this stuff works with MATE, too, been
> > there, tested that.
> > It will run on slower machines, but Cinnamon get sluggish, especially in
> > the menu, on
> > Pentium 4 or Intel Atom. This is inherited from the upstream gnome-shell
> > it seems.
> >
>
> If you like, you can work at adding a Cinnamon based meta for Ubuntu
> Studio.
> It's not that big of a deal really, once you learn what you need to
> know. You'll need a launchpad account, and a development release install
> to do the coding. Testing can be done either on a separate testing
> partition, or on a Virtual Machine. Both could be virtual, if you like.
> Here's something I wrote about getting started
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/SetupDeveloperEnvironment
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> Message: 4
> Date: Thu, 23 May 2013 16:25:26 -0400
> From: lukefromdc at hushmail.com
> To: "Ubuntu Studio Development & Technical Discussion"
>         <ubuntu-studio-devel at lists.ubuntu.com>
> Subject: Re: Making Studio work with more than one DE
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> OK, I just pulled the information fom the Wiki. Will take me a while
> to get this rolling, for two reasons: Bandwidth issues mean I have
> to go on the road to pull a DVD image, and I first need to learn to
> build my existing code into Debian packages (I use ordinary tarballs
> locally at this point).
>
> I'll start chewing on this, already have a Launchpad account, I'll try
> to get a meta setup for 13.10.  Question: Cinnamon is still in a PPA,
> should I use a package to add that PPA to sources.list for the build,
> or do something else?
>
>
> >
> >If you like, you can work at adding a Cinnamon based meta for
> >Ubuntu
> >Studio.
> >It's not that big of a deal really, once you learn what you need to
> >know. You'll need a launchpad account, and a development release
> >install
> >to do the coding. Testing can be done either on a separate testing
> >partition, or on a Virtual Machine. Both could be virtual, if you
> >like.
> >Here's something I wrote about getting started
> >https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/SetupDeveloperEnvironment
> >
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> Message: 5
> Date: Thu, 23 May 2013 22:39:18 +0200
> From: Kaj Ailomaa <zequence at mousike.me>
> To: ubuntu-studio-devel at lists.ubuntu.com
> Subject: Re: Making Studio work with more than one DE
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> On Thu, May 23, 2013, at 10:25 PM, lukefromdc at hushmail.com wrote:
> > OK, I just pulled the information fom the Wiki. Will take me a while
> > to get this rolling, for two reasons: Bandwidth issues mean I have
> > to go on the road to pull a DVD image, and I first need to learn to
> > build my existing code into Debian packages (I use ordinary tarballs
> > locally at this point).
> >
> > I'll start chewing on this, already have a Launchpad account, I'll try
> > to get a meta setup for 13.10.  Question: Cinnamon is still in a PPA,
> > should I use a package to add that PPA to sources.list for the build,
> > or do something else?
> >
>
> You don't need to find out how to do the meta by yourself, but once
> you're done setting up a dev environment, I'll let you in on how it's
> done.
> Just let me know when you're ready to begin.
>
>
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> Message: 6
> Date: Thu, 23 May 2013 16:45:56 -0400
> From: lukefromdc at hushmail.com
> To: "Ubuntu Studio Development & Technical Discussion"
>         <ubuntu-studio-devel at lists.ubuntu.com>
> Subject: Re: Making Studio work with more than one DE
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> Thanks. Figure I'll put the development image on an extra partition,
> external
> to the encrypted space in my system drive.  Will take me a few days just to
> get to the once place I can download the DVD image, though. Access at home
> is a wireless connection only, no landline access.
>
> On 05/23/2013 at 4:39 PM, "Kaj Ailomaa" <zequence at mousike.me> wrote:
> >
> >On Thu, May 23, 2013, at 10:25 PM, lukefromdc at hushmail.com wrote:
> >> OK, I just pulled the information fom the Wiki. Will take me a
> >while
> >> to get this rolling, for two reasons: Bandwidth issues mean I
> >have
> >> to go on the road to pull a DVD image, and I first need to learn
> >to
> >> build my existing code into Debian packages (I use ordinary
> >tarballs
> >> locally at this point).
> >>
> >> I'll start chewing on this, already have a Launchpad account,
> >I'll try
> >> to get a meta setup for 13.10.  Question: Cinnamon is still in a
> >PPA,
> >> should I use a package to add that PPA to sources.list for the
> >build,
> >> or do something else?
> >>
> >
> >You don't need to find out how to do the meta by yourself, but once
> >you're done setting up a dev environment, I'll let you in on how
> >it's
> >done.
> >Just let me know when you're ready to begin.
> >
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> Message: 7
> Date: Thu, 23 May 2013 16:01:04 -0700
> From: "Len Ovens" <len at ovenwerks.net>
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> Subject: Re: Making Studio work with more than one DE
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> On Thu, May 23, 2013 11:35 am, lukefromdc at hushmail.com wrote:
> > Surely there are more people who want to make US work with any
> > particular desktop than there are desktops!  I did the Cinnamon work
> > myself
> > for the legacy desktop, simply so I could use it Have all the necessary
> > files to
> > make it work. Only hassle is that the Cinnamon menus for some reason
> > ignore the
> > UbuntuStudio A/V submenus, instead putting all the A/V apps into "sound
> > and video"
> > no matter what you do in the menu editor.
>
> That is what I have been working on as happens. The Studio custom A/V
> menus are right now specific to xfce. I am working to break the Studio
> menu into three parts. The stock menu that the DE comes with, a static (I
> hope) studio specific base menu to hold everything in and the A/V block.
> This is what has lead me to start looking at various DEs to see what my
> mods are going to do to them. It is why I want to know what makes KDE, KDE
> to the user. What makes gnome shell what someone wants to use.
>
> I could set KDE up to look not much different from xfce does and gnome2
> did, but why? I can set up KDE to list apps and launch them in at least 5
> different ways... there are at least two more methods of just launching
> using a search method or a run box as well. Then there is the whole
> activities setup which could be very useful in setting up workflows if
> used right. It could also be a big fail if used in the wrong manner.
>
> lxde, is going to be the most like xfce, in fact lubuntu uses quite a lot
> of xfce utilities in the background. The menu will likely be almost
> identical. It would probably be the easiest DE to include, the challenge
> would be to actually keep it "light". Just starting kdenlive for example,
> starts a lot of KDE background tasks... and those tasks don't go away just
> because kdenlive is closed.
>
> So there may in fact be a DE that is best suited to any one workflow. That
> is, someone doing a video workflow may find that xfce is not the best DE
> to use and that the programs they are using run better and more reliably
> on something else. There are things missing in xfce like colour
> correction, that KDE has, gnome has, unity has.
>
> The goal is to make any app work well with any DE. However, depending on
> the user's HW and the apps used that may not be possible or even testable.
> We can only test on the machines we have and people with a high interest
> in one kind of creation tend to buy machines that work best there. I buy
> looking for low latency in the MB and the ability to work with my audio
> card or an audio card I am interested in, the most basic video card is
> fine. Someone in visual creation will be looking at monitors, stylus pads,
> and graphic cards, audio may only be for entertainment for them.
>
> Anyway, assuming Cinnamon uses the gnome menu style of old, it should be
> easy to add in the A/V menu overlay with that DE too. (easy doesn't mean
> no work :)
>
>
>
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