Groups, permisions, work flow

Ralf Madorf ralf.mardorf at
Sun Jan 22 13:17:55 UTC 2012

Hi Kaj :)

I'll continue top posting ;).

To be honest, I can't see any disadvantage to set every user to the
group audio, but I might have miss something.

Why do we have a group "audio"? Perhaps there's a valid reason not to
set every user to the group audio. I don't know.



On Sun, 2012-01-22 at 14:09 +0100, Kaj Ailomaa wrote:
> Only an admin is allowed to install programs, and if the admin would be 
> given a choice to include users to audio group during installation of a 
> package (you can always answer no), than what is the problem? You'll 
> have to do it anyway if you are intending to get realtime privilege 
> (though many won't know they need to, and there's no telling when they 
> realize the do).
> This audio group problem is one of those things that make it endlessly 
> frustrating for people who only wish to install audio apps and start 
> using them.
> As for Ubuntu Studio itself, it is intended for audio production, 
> (amongst other things), and for Ubuntu Studio it makes no sense at all 
> to leave users without realtime privilege when creating new users.
> It is of course different when installing packages, but this one problem 
> could so easily be clarified to any user (they would at least become 
> aware of it) if it would be included in the install process of jackd.
> On 2012-01-22 12:46, Ralf Madorf wrote:
> > On Sun, 2012-01-22 at 03:58 +0100, Kaj Ailomaa wrote:
> >> My point in bringing up this problem with audio group was that new users
> >> (who wouldn't know about audio group) shouldn't have to create a new
> >> user and find that the new user cannot use audio applications in realtime.
> >> Having the option of administrating groups will of course always remain,
> >> but from my point of view, a distro like UbuntuStudio should have audio
> >> group as a default group for both the desktop and administrator users.
> >> Not having that is in my view a bug.
> >> As pointed out, the user who installs the system from DVD will belong to
> >> audio group, but not in any other other case.
> >>
> >> But, in case you don't install from DVD...
> >> When installing ubuntustudio-packages separately from another Ubuntu
> >> based distro you will not get user to belong to audio group, and there
> >> is no direct explanation to why realtime won't work in this situation.
> >> While it is possible to find this out, isn't it much preferable for the
> >> user not having to know? [snip]
> >
> > You can't handle permissions that slipshod if it's for a repository used
> > by several "Sub-"Ubuntus. Note that I installed Edubuntu and then added
> > the Ubuntu Studio repository. Now imagine that this Edubuntu is used by
> > very young children (btw. it isn't used by children on my machine). It's
> > better the admin needs to google for an issue such as a group audio,
> > than automatically add users to groups. If you want your children being
> > able to run, you might not want them to be able
> > to run your audio work to sync a raunchy video too ;). This of cause
> > isn't a good example, since we would disable permissions to open such a
> > project folder, because a group audio anyway wouldn't protect against
> > access.
> > As long as your Linux is for a single user only and it e.g. might only
> > be a DAW, perhaps without an Internet connection, you can set SUID for
> > all folders, you can run audio sessions as root etc., but as soon as
> > it's a multi-user machine, there's the need to have an admin with
> > knowledge.
> > Regarding to the group audio there might be no security issue, dunno, I
> > just want to warn that there might be a risk we all miss.
> >
> > 2 Cents,
> >
> > Ralf

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