Last call for Oneiric seeds
Luke Kuhn
lukekuhn at hotmail.com
Wed Aug 17 18:53:13 UTC 2011
Audacity is so important for editing everything from video soundtracks to audio news reports I cannot see ever getting along without it!
When you are NOT doing work that includes computer generated audio, just doing basic sound editing with effects (ruling out gnome sound recorder as a substitute) and timeline editing, audacity realy doesn't have much competition. Ardour is WAY to complex for someone doing say, radio news, and does not have the massive effects list that audacity has either.
It is one thing to not include something in a default install, but would be far more serious if it ever disappeared from the repos, or worse, was rendered uninstallable when imported from another distro's repos or built from source. I have been using Audacity since 2004 and would not consider removing it from my machines under any circumstances. Since it is presumably staying in Ubuntu's repos, that means it is essential to make sure nothing is done that render audacity either impossible to install or impossible to use. In particular, if audacity won't work with Jack any more (1.3.7 worked fine with jack, for a while I saved it's binary under the name "audacity-jack"), then jack must never become something that auto respawns if killed, as that would make it impossible to run audacity.
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> 1. Re: Last call for Oneiric seeds (Gerhard Lang)
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> Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2011 00:38:15 +0200
> From: Gerhard Lang <lang.gerhard at gmail.com>
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> Audacitie's cooperation with with jack is disgraceful. But indeed, for
> it's capabilities I see no comparable linux alternative.
> So I vote for retaining
> Gerhard
>
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> Am 16.08.2011 09:02, schrieb David Henningsson:
> > On 08/15/2011 03:38 PM, Scott Lavender wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> On Mon, Aug 15, 2011 at 1:50 AM, David Henningsson
> >> <david.henningsson at canonical.com
> >> <mailto:david.henningsson at canonical.com>> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> Hmm, seeds and that is not my area of expertise, but I seem to be
> >> missing audacity?
> >>
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> >> David,
> >>
> >> Audacity was consciously removed from the seeds.
> >>
> >> I would infer that you believe it should included. May I ask why so?
> >
> > Well, the last time this was up for debate, you asked me to write down
> > a use case or workflow, and so I did, see:
> > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/Workflows#Simple_recording_of_concert.2C_conversation_etc
> >
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> Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2011 00:15:58 +0100
> From: Ricardo Lameiro <ricardolameiro at gmail.com>
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> Audacity's jack problem comes from portaudio, to retain cross compatibility.
> It will only show a source or sink when active. Not optimal for standard
> jack use. But it is true, it is a very good editor
>
> No dia 16 de Ago de 2011 23:38, "Gerhard Lang" <lang.gerhard at gmail.com>
> escreveu:
> >
> > Audacitie's cooperation with with jack is disgraceful. But indeed, for
> it's capabilities I see no comparable linux alternative.
> > So I vote for retaining
> > Gerhard
> >
> >
> > Am 16.08.2011 09:02, schrieb David Henningsson:
> >
> >> On 08/15/2011 03:38 PM, Scott Lavender wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Mon, Aug 15, 2011 at 1:50 AM, David Henningsson
> >>> <david.henningsson at canonical.com
> >>> <mailto:david.henningsson at canonical.com>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Hmm, seeds and that is not my area of expertise, but I seem to be
> >>> missing audacity?
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> David Henningsson, Canonical Ltd.
> >>> http://launchpad.net/~diwic <http://launchpad.net/%7Ediwic>
> >>>
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> >>> David,
> >>>
> >>> Audacity was consciously removed from the seeds.
> >>>
> >>> I would infer that you believe it should included. May I ask why so?
> >>
> >>
> >> Well, the last time this was up for debate, you asked me to write down a
> use case or workflow, and so I did, see:
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/Workflows#Simple_recording_of_concert.2C_conversation_etc
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> From: Mike Holstein <mikeh789 at gmail.com>
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> for me, as big draw to audacity in the beginning was that it didnt need
> jack. for a long time, it was one of the only applications that did anything
> when i clicked on it. im sure proper documentation is the actual answer to
> what i am saying, and thats something i know is currently on our radar... im
> sure we can all agree audacity is a great audio editor for the new user,
> with features that keep seasoned users turning to it... the question is,
> does it need to be included by default in ubuntustudio?
>
> On Tue, Aug 16, 2011 at 7:15 PM, Ricardo Lameiro
> <ricardolameiro at gmail.com>wrote:
>
> > Audacity's jack problem comes from portaudio, to retain cross
> > compatibility. It will only show a source or sink when active. Not optimal
> > for standard jack use. But it is true, it is a very good editor
> >
> > No dia 16 de Ago de 2011 23:38, "Gerhard Lang" <lang.gerhard at gmail.com>
> > escreveu:
> >
> > >
> > > Audacitie's cooperation with with jack is disgraceful. But indeed, for
> > it's capabilities I see no comparable linux alternative.
> > > So I vote for retaining
> > > Gerhard
> > >
> > >
> > > Am 16.08.2011 09:02, schrieb David Henningsson:
> > >
> > >> On 08/15/2011 03:38 PM, Scott Lavender wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> On Mon, Aug 15, 2011 at 1:50 AM, David Henningsson
> > >>> <david.henningsson at canonical.com
> > >>> <mailto:david.henningsson at canonical.com>> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> Hmm, seeds and that is not my area of expertise, but I seem to be
> > >>> missing audacity?
> > >>>
> > >>> --
> > >>> David Henningsson, Canonical Ltd.
> > >>> http://launchpad.net/~diwic <http://launchpad.net/%7Ediwic>
> > >>>
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> > >>> David,
> > >>>
> > >>> Audacity was consciously removed from the seeds.
> > >>>
> > >>> I would infer that you believe it should included. May I ask why so?
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Well, the last time this was up for debate, you asked me to write down a
> > use case or workflow, and so I did, see:
> > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/Workflows#Simple_recording_of_concert.2C_conversation_etc
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