<div dir="ltr"><div>On the technical side , we can also get a dedicated server. I am running a dedicated server from US with the following specs for US$65/mth. Its running VMWare with 3 Linux servers in it. One of them running CPanel + WHM and hosting my websites/domains , including <a href="http://ubuntu.sg">ubuntu.sg</a>. The other two are for me to play with apps.<br><br></div>Total costs of hardware+software (CPanel+WHM) < US$100. With that I have all that need to basically open a webhosting company , which I used to do but too troublesome so I shut it down.<br><div><br>- <table class="" align="center" border="0" cellpadding="10" cellspacing="0" width="100%"><tbody><tr><td>Processor</td> <td>Dual Intel Xeon L5520</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Memory</td> <td>24GB DDR3 ECC</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Primary Hard Drive</td> <td>1TB SATA</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Secondary Hard Drive</td> <td>None</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Bandwidth</td> <td>100Mbps Unmetered</td> </tr> <tr> <td>IP Addresses</td> <td>1 Primary + /28 Secondary (17 Total)</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Operating System</td> <td>Custom (Note in Comments)</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Control Panel</td> <td>None</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Data Center</td> <td>Jacksonville, FL</td></tr></tbody></table></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all"><div><div class="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><br>---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- | <br><br></div><div><a href="http://billyam.com" target="_blank">http://billyam.com</a> || <a href="http://use-r.com" target="_blank">http://use-r.com</a> || <a href="http://shinyserver.com" target="_blank">http://shinyserver.com</a> (BETA)<br><br></div><div>SAS Certified Base Programmer for SAS 9<br></div><div><div>Oracle SQL Expert(11g)</div></div><br><div><br></div><br></div></div></div> <br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Nov 22, 2014 at 7:00 AM, Muhammad Heidir <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:md.heidir@gmail.com" target="_blank">md.heidir@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word"><div>We can cut cost by using AWS as the service provider. They charge by per hour per instance. Meaning if we run a single Linux server using a t2.micro hardware, it costs $0.020/hr.</div><div>With the free tier, it is free for 750 hours and this is valid for a year from the day you signed up.</div><div><br></div><div><a href="http://aws.amazon.com/ec2/pricing/" target="_blank">http://aws.amazon.com/ec2/pricing/</a></div><div><br></div><div>There are a lot of Linux instances and Ubuntu is one of them. Due to the cost, I would suggest that we take a look into how we can charge this as a service. Compared to having a physical hardware which is a one-time cost and considering they need other stuff such as switches, routers and firewall. Yearly maintenance for the hardware devices is also a premium they need to fork out.</div><div><br></div><div>Then again, we can consider which is the effective solution and share with the NGOs. Ultimately there will be cost, but it will be minimum compared to having a full infra within a DC.</div><div><br></div><div>AWS also provide different pricing structure. It really depends on how the NGOs want to go along with it.</div><div><a href="http://aws.amazon.com/ec2/purchasing-options/" target="_blank">http://aws.amazon.com/ec2/purchasing-options/</a></div><span class=""><div><br></div><br><div> <span style="letter-spacing:1px;text-align:left;color:#000000;font-family:sans-serif;font-size:8pt;font-style:normal;font-weight:regular">Regards,</span> <table style="background:#f5f5f5;padding:10px;border:1px solid #e9e9e9;margin:10px 0 10px 0;width:100%" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"> <tbody> <tr> <td style="width:5px" valign="top"> </td> <td style="padding-left:5px" bgcolor="#F5F5F5" valign="top"> <span style="letter-spacing:1px;text-align:left;color:#000000;font-family:sans-serif;font-size:8pt;font-style:normal;font-weight:bold">Muhammad Heidir</span> <span style="letter-spacing:1px;line-height:150%;text-align:left;color:#000000;font-family:sans-serif;font-size:8pt;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal"> <font color="Black" size="1">|</font> Father, Husband, IT Freak<br> SystemX <font color="Black" size="1">|</font> Punggol Arcadia<br> Mobile: <a href="tel:%2B65%209026%206674" value="+6590266674" target="_blank">+65 9026 6674</a><br> </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td style="width:5px" valign="top"> </td> <td style="padding-left:5px" bgcolor="#F5F5F5" valign="top"> <span style="letter-spacing:1px;text-align:left;color:#000000;font-family:sans-serif;font-size:8pt;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal"> <a>Website</a> <a href="mailto:md.heidir@gmail.com" target="_blank">Email</a> <a href="https://maps.google.com.sg/?q=627A+Aljunied+Road,+BizTech+Centre,+#05-07,%20Singapore%20389842" target="_blank">Map</a> <a>vCard</a> </span> </td> </tr> </tbody> <tbody> </tbody> </table> </div> <br></span><div><div class="h5"><div><blockquote type="cite"><div>On 21 Nov 2014, at 23:41, Ho Yi Hao Pipat <<a href="mailto:yihao.ho@gmail.com" target="_blank">yihao.ho@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br><div><div dir="ltr">I like the idea of helping NGOs to manage their webserver. That will be a fantastic idea considering that we don't need someone to be on site all the time. <div><br></div><div>But the issue is though, most of the time, the NGOs would already have a preferred web host provider that is very commonly bundled with a mail system.. To get them to change might take some convincing. </div><div><br></div><div>I think the issue in Singapore is that the education system is so tied into the Windows system that it is often hard for people to change to something other than that. In my school days, writing a report was a horror as I preferred to use Open Office (No libre around yet) and it would often screw up when saved in .doc which means I would often have to "ahem" Office just to get my report done.. </div><div><br></div><div>Bringing that back to the IT scene in Singapore, with the Windows mentality, it is hard to find people who will be willing to take the plunge. Even if the open source solution will be more cost-effective in the long run. So, it will take some effort to get NGO to allow us to handle stuff for them. </div><div><br></div><div>With that in mind, that shouldn't mean that we should give up but we should keep trying and see how we can help the NGOs since I think we all agree that open source is the most cost- effective way for them. Perhaps we could start from helping them migrate to Libre (or Open Office if that's your preference) from M$ office? </div><div><br></div><div>Within ourselves, start a sinking fund where we can offer to manage NGOs website and email? Either the renting of servers or someone with the facility to host it? With of course a credit to us so that other NGOs might take notice? </div><div><br></div><div>I'm just throwing some ideas around to see if we can get something kick started since a lot of stuff that we used to plan would either not move pass the talk about it phase or eventually quieten down with nothing done. Here's hoping somethings will change. </div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all"><div><div><div><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif">---------------------------</font></div><div><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif"><br></font></div><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif">With regards,<br>Yi Hao</font><br><br><br></div></div> <br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Nov 21, 2014 at 9:37 PM, billy am <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:wickedpuppy@gmail.com" target="_blank">wickedpuppy@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div><div>isn't it the truth? I just did a major project with a 3rd party software company at work. Company wide project with multiple Oracle servers , weblogc , jboss , etc etc. From our side , there are only 2 people. Me and the project manager who is more of a budget , schedule manager rather than technical. <br><br></div>Clearly , the value of a project manager , in SG at least , is at how he/she handles the upper management on the budget / schedule and how to communicate the requirement. Nothing about actual software / hardware / setup / config / maintenance is required. <br><br></div>Frankly , if anyone want to be actually managing IT infra and makes decisions on IT , take MBA/CFA/ACCA/CPA. It would be faster. <br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><span><br clear="all"><div><div><div dir="ltr"><div><br>---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- | <br><br></div><div><a href="http://billyam.com/" target="_blank">http://billyam.com</a> || <a href="http://use-r.com/" target="_blank">http://use-r.com</a> || <a href="http://shinyserver.com/" target="_blank">http://shinyserver.com</a> (BETA)<br><br></div><div>SAS Certified Base Programmer for SAS 9<br></div><div><div>Oracle SQL Expert(11g)</div></div><br><div><br></div><br></div></div></div> <br></span><div><div><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Nov 21, 2014 at 10:27 PM, Tom Goh <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:tomgohj@gmail.com" target="_blank">tomgohj@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><p dir="ltr">I agree with that statement on management. The universities teach kids that what they should aspire to is be a project manager. I have asked several university students what they want to do after graduation and they all said project manager. When asked why, they say that is what their professors tell them.</p><p dir="ltr">That is why tech in Singapore is so bad. Because we have project managers who don't know how to develop or run systems in the real world and get the wool pulled over their eyes. They just rely on big vendors to propose solutions.</p><p dir="ltr">Its getting better now that there is a growing start up culture.</p> <div class="gmail_quote"><div><div>On Nov 21, 2014 7:45 PM, "Chow Loong Jin" <<a href="mailto:hyperair@ubuntu.com" target="_blank">hyperair@ubuntu.com</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution"></div></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div><br> On Fri, Nov 21, 2014 at 01:26:29PM +0800, billy am wrote:<br> > Redhat has. Canonical I am not sure ... Mark did come down to Singapore<br> > before. Suse yes.<br> <br> Red Hat's mostly a sales office, as are most other multi-national companies<br> (e.g. Google, Facebook) which have bases in Singapore. I think the only major<br> large corporation with a real coding base here is PayPal.<br> <br> > NUS mirrors everything btw. Including CRAN , CPAN , etc ... But again , the<br> > Universities train office workers/drones , not technologists/hackers. Pls<br> > keep it in mind.<br> <br> Not quite, they train people who think that coding is a stepping stone toward<br> management. And then they become managers and hang up whatever little xcoding<br> skills they had in the first place.<br> <br> > Linux is cheaper ONLY if in large numbers. For SMEs , Linux is a nightmare.<br> > Windows admins with 3 - 4 years experience can be found for below 2k / mth<br> > , if you know where and how to find.<br> <br> Eh speak for yourself. I used to work in an SME with only 3 people (aside from<br> me). They're doing pretty well, and they're mostly a Linux shop.<br> <br> --<br> Kind regards,<br> Loong Jin<br> <br></div></div><span>--<br> Ubuntu-SG mailing list<br> <a href="mailto:Ubuntu-SG@lists.ubuntu.com" target="_blank">Ubuntu-SG@lists.ubuntu.com</a><br> <a href="https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-sg" target="_blank">https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-sg</a><br> <br></span></blockquote></div> </blockquote></div><br></div></div></div> <br>--<br> Ubuntu-SG mailing list<br> <a href="mailto:Ubuntu-SG@lists.ubuntu.com" target="_blank">Ubuntu-SG@lists.ubuntu.com</a><br> <a href="https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-sg" target="_blank">https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-sg</a><br> <br></blockquote></div><br></div> -- <br>Ubuntu-SG mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Ubuntu-SG@lists.ubuntu.com" target="_blank">Ubuntu-SG@lists.ubuntu.com</a><br><a href="https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-sg" target="_blank">https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-sg</a><br></div></blockquote></div><br></div></div></div></blockquote></div><br></div>