[Ubuntu-SG] New to singapore

Sat Nov 22 01:31:17 UTC 2014

Because
if the project success and makes money , shareholders/directors/CXOs get
credit/bonus/renumerations/dividends/$$$$.
Otherwise , you get the blame/sack/fired/scolding.

So why even try? A good example of it is SMRT. Go check out who got
bonus/dividends and who got blame and who actually pay for it , not just in
term of increment in pay but also having to go into the tin can.

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On Sat, Nov 22, 2014 at 9:27 AM, Ho Yi Hao Pipat <yihao.ho at gmail.com> wrote:

> That's the issue isn't it. That's why a lot of form prefer to outsource
> their it department so that they will have someone to blame without coming
> back to themselves
> On 22 Nov, 2014 8:18 am, "Ravi Mohan" <faileas.greywolf at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Not to mention the fear of arrows, and awesome taichi skills ;p
>>
>> On Sat, Nov 22, 2014 at 9:05 AM, billy am <wickedpuppy at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Here is what IT manager thinks
>>>
>>> (Hmms , the company pays for software so why take the risk and install
>>> Linux and have to explain to the big bosses when I can buy Microsoft , IBM
>>> , Dell and then when things go wrong , blame them?
>>>
>>> I am not here to make the company/organization more effective or
>>> efficient. I don't get any benefits out of it. I am just being paid monthly
>>> whatever happens. So I will spend all my energy on how I can put the blame
>>> on someone for everything I do!!!
>>>
>>> Yes yes. Thats right.
>>> Firewall breached and website hacked? Firewall company and those pesky
>>> hackers are the problem.
>>> Server down? The vendor doesn't know what to do.
>>> My people are taking too long because they are not experienced or
>>> short-handed? They are idiots! Getting them better pay or find people with
>>> more experience and more pay means I will have to ask the big boss to
>>> increase my budget! That might affect my bonus!!! Oh no!!! Time to be a
>>> slave driver... oh yah! More late night work!!!)
>>>
>>> When you have people tied their performance to budget and not profit ,
>>> thats what you get. How many companies , mostly medium to large ,
>>> companies' managers will risk their neck , and 5 figure salary , to suggest
>>> their directors to do something that never done before? Why do that? When
>>> you can be a boot-licker and get paid to do that?
>>>
>>> Remember , dept budget is more important than company profit. Every dept
>>> manager will watch their own backside.
>>>
>>>
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>>>
>>> On Fri, Nov 21, 2014 at 11:41 PM, Ho Yi Hao Pipat <yihao.ho at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I like the idea of helping NGOs to manage their webserver. That will be
>>>> a fantastic idea considering that we don't need someone to be on site all
>>>> the time.
>>>>
>>>> But the issue is though, most of the time, the NGOs would already have
>>>> a preferred web host provider that is very commonly bundled with a mail
>>>> system.. To get them to change might take some convincing.
>>>>
>>>> I think the issue in Singapore is that the education system is so tied
>>>> into the Windows system that it is often hard for people to change to
>>>> something other than that. In my school days, writing a report was a horror
>>>> as I preferred to use Open Office (No libre around yet) and it would often
>>>> screw up when saved in .doc which means I would often have to "ahem" Office
>>>> just to get my report done..
>>>>
>>>> Bringing that back to the IT scene in Singapore, with the Windows
>>>> mentality, it is hard to find people who will be willing to take the
>>>> plunge. Even if the open source solution will be more cost-effective in the
>>>> long run. So, it will take some effort to get NGO to allow us to handle
>>>> stuff for them.
>>>>
>>>> With that in mind, that shouldn't mean that we should give up but we
>>>> should keep trying and see how we can help the NGOs since I think we all
>>>> agree that open source is the most cost- effective way for them. Perhaps we
>>>> could start from helping them migrate to Libre (or Open Office if that's
>>>> your preference) from M$ office?
>>>>
>>>> Within ourselves, start a sinking fund where we can offer to manage
>>>> NGOs website and email? Either the renting of servers or someone with the
>>>> facility to host it? With of course a credit to us so that other NGOs might
>>>> take notice?
>>>>
>>>> I'm just throwing some ideas around to see if we can get something kick
>>>> started since a lot of stuff that we used to plan would either not move
>>>> pass the talk about it phase or eventually quieten down with nothing done.
>>>> Here's hoping somethings will change.
>>>>
>>>> ---------------------------
>>>>
>>>> With regards,
>>>> Yi Hao
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Nov 21, 2014 at 9:37 PM, billy am <wickedpuppy at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> isn't it the truth? I just did a major project with a 3rd party
>>>>> software company at work. Company wide project with multiple Oracle servers
>>>>> , weblogc  , jboss , etc etc. From our side , there are only 2 people. Me
>>>>> and the project manager who is more of a budget , schedule manager rather
>>>>> than technical.
>>>>>
>>>>> Clearly , the value of a project manager , in SG at least , is at how
>>>>> he/she handles the upper management on the budget / schedule and how to
>>>>> communicate the requirement. Nothing about actual software / hardware /
>>>>> setup / config / maintenance is required.
>>>>>
>>>>> Frankly , if anyone want to be actually managing IT infra and makes
>>>>> decisions on IT , take MBA/CFA/ACCA/CPA. It would be faster.
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Nov 21, 2014 at 10:27 PM, Tom Goh <tomgohj at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I agree with that statement on management.  The universities teach
>>>>>> kids that what they should aspire to is be a project manager.  I have asked
>>>>>> several university students what they want to do after graduation and they
>>>>>> all said project manager.  When asked why, they say that is what their
>>>>>> professors tell them.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That is why tech in Singapore is so bad.  Because we have project
>>>>>> managers who don't know how to develop or run systems in the real world and
>>>>>> get the wool pulled over their eyes.  They just rely on big vendors to
>>>>>> propose solutions.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Its getting better now that there is a growing start up culture.
>>>>>> On Nov 21, 2014 7:45 PM, "Chow Loong Jin" <hyperair at ubuntu.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Fri, Nov 21, 2014 at 01:26:29PM +0800, billy am wrote:
>>>>>>> > Redhat has. Canonical I am not sure ... Mark did come down to
>>>>>>> Singapore
>>>>>>> > before. Suse yes.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Red Hat's mostly a sales office, as are most other multi-national
>>>>>>> companies
>>>>>>> (e.g. Google, Facebook) which have bases in Singapore. I think the
>>>>>>> only major
>>>>>>> large corporation with a real coding base here is PayPal.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > NUS mirrors everything btw. Including CRAN , CPAN , etc ... But
>>>>>>> again , the
>>>>>>> > Universities train office workers/drones , not
>>>>>>> technologists/hackers. Pls
>>>>>>> > keep it in mind.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Not quite, they train people who think that coding is a stepping
>>>>>>> stone toward
>>>>>>> management. And then they become managers and hang up whatever
>>>>>>> little xcoding
>>>>>>> skills they had in the first place.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > Linux is cheaper ONLY if in large numbers. For SMEs , Linux is a
>>>>>>> nightmare.
>>>>>>> > Windows admins with 3 - 4 years experience can be found for below
>>>>>>> 2k / mth
>>>>>>> > , if you know where and how to find.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Eh speak for yourself. I used to work in an SME with only 3 people
>>>>>>> (aside from
>>>>>>> me). They're doing pretty well, and they're mostly a Linux shop.
>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>> Loong Jin
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