[Ubuntu-SG] Should we "Say No to Piracy"?

Chen Xiangpeng xp at xp.sg
Mon Jun 22 10:01:15 BST 2009


Hi,

I am with Tom on this. The idea of intellectual property/software patent
rights go against the spirit of cooperation and sharing in the world of Free
or Open-source software. It's not a legality issue. It's an ideology issue.

Take a look at the members of the HIP alliance:
http://www.ipos.gov.sg/topNav/prg/gen/HIP+(Honour+Intellectual+Property)+Alliance.htm

You see names like Microsoft(nuff said) and Electronic Arts(Biggest users of
Securom DRM anyone?).
It's a bad idea to join the alliance in my opinion. Just my 2 cents.

Regards,
XP

On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 16:37, Muhammad Heidir <dave33bravo at yahoo.com.sg>wrote:

> On Mon, 2009-06-22 at 16:11 +0800, suhaw koh wrote:
> > Hi Tom,
> >
> >
> > A quick response to your point about multi-region DVD players:
> >
> >
> > The Digital Life article by Alfred Siew you quoted was published in
> > 2004, prior to the amendment of the laws.  Check out this FAQ from
> > IPOS website:
> > http://www.ipos.gov.sg/topNav/leg/pub/pas/FAQ+for+USSFTA
> > +Consultation.htm
> >
> >
> >
> > What if a person purchased and used a multi-coded player for films
> > e.g. DVD player? Would that also be considered an act of
> > circumvention?
> > No. There is also an express provision in Section 261C(10) allowing
> > for import or sale of devices whose sole purpose is to control market
> > segmentation for access to films e.g. multi-coded DVD player.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > As for the more recent Nov 2008 DL article about Sim Lim raids that
> > Chew quoted, they are specifically about modifying devices to
> > circumvent access control measures, ie modifying the Wii machines to
> > play pirated software.
> >
> >
> > Cheers.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > suhaw
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > 2009/6/22 chewearn <chew4097 at gmail.com>
> >         Caveat: IANAL.
> >
> >         Check out this article:
> >
> http://www.asiaone.com/Digital/News/Story/A1Story20081117-101233.html
> >
> >         Especially the last paragraph, quote:
> >         "It is illegal under the Copyright Act to
> >         'circumvent...technological access control measures'. Those
> >         convicted face up to $20,000 in fines or up to two years'
> >         jail, or both."
> >
> >         I leave it to you to make the appropriate conclusion.
> >
> >
> >         Regards
> >         Chew
> >
> >
> >         2009/6/22 Tom Goh <tomgohj at gmail.com>
> >
> >                 Just did a search and I may be wrong about fair use in
> >                 singapore.
> >
> >
> http://computertimes.asiaone.com.sg/columns/story/0,5104,2804,00.html
> >
> >                 The Free Trade Agreement with the United States
> >                 obliges Singapore to
> >                 tighten up copyright laws by this year. Singapore's
> >                 stand, fortunately,
> >                 is an enlightened one.
> >
> >                 An important clause in the proposed changes states
> >                 that it is not
> >                 illegal to disable technology used for 'market
> >                 segmentation'. It ensures
> >                 that multi-region DVD players are okay to use here.
> >
> >                 It does not specifically state anything about
> >                 Singapore and decss.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >                 suhaw koh wrote:
> >                 > Hi All,
> >                 >
> >                 > Seeking your thoughts/inputs/advice on the following
> >                 idea.
> >                 >
> >                 > Further to the Schools project idea.
> >                 >
> >                 > Since a key tenet of this project is to reinforce
> >                 the students'
> >                 > awareness and respect for IP rights, I was thinking
> >                 of enlisting the
> >                 > assistance of IPOS.
> >                 >
> >                 > At there website, I came across the HIP (Honour
> >                 Intellectual Property)
> >                 > Alliance at this url:
> >                 >    http://www.ipos.gov.sg/topNav/prg/gen/HIP+(Honour<http://www.ipos.gov.sg/topNav/prg/gen/HIP+%28Honour>
> >                 +Intellectual+Property)+Alliance.htm
> >                 >
> >                 > It describes the Alliance thus:
> >                 >
> >                 > "HIP Alliance Members
> >                 >
> >                 > The HIP Alliance members include organisations
> >                 involved in creative arts
> >                 > and the creative industries, international
> >                 organisations, industry
> >                 > bodies and private sector players that believe in
> >                 Singapore's message to
> >                 > Say No to Piracy."
> >                 >
> >                 > I was just wondering if TUSG should sign up to be a
> >                 member of the
> >                 > alliance ?  I know it is not quite what was
> >                 envisaged, but I believe
> >                 > TUSG should be a strong supporter of "Singapore's
> >                 message to Say No to
> >                 > Piracy".
> >                 >
> >                 > What do you think ?
> >                 >
> >                 >
> >                 > suhaw
> >                 > --
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> >
> >
> >
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>
> Hi,
>
> Correct me if I'm wrong. But this is what they meant:
>
> 1) As long as the media is purchased legally, then having a multi-coded
> DVD player is fine. May I conclude that, if you bought the DVD legally,
> and decide to rip it and save it as a backup, then it is ok. But if you
> share, sell or distribute then it is not ok.
>
> 2) Then if you build, sell or distribute systems that enable illegally
> obtained/pirated media to run, then it is considered an act of
> circumvention.
>
> Does these affect us joining the alliance then?
>
> Canonical/Ubuntu does not do those stuff. In anyway, there are totally
> Open Source solutions which are legal. I don't see any issue in having
> us a part of this alliance but more to adding credibility.
>
> Your views?
> --
> Best Regards,
> Muhammad Heidir
>
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