[Ubuntu-SG] Team Namecard - Draft 2

Tue Sep 23 04:48:24 UTC 2008

hi CDR
Great write-up!  I am in total agreement with your views, except I am not
able to do a beautiful explanation.

As we ended the SFD2008 in a high note, there is a tendency to rush headlong
into something unsustainable.

I think the implications of organization vs community need to be seriously
thought out by everyone.  We were planning a meeting to discuss team's
leadership soon, and everyone should come to the meeting with some prior
understanding of what each option means.  In addition, to get to an
agreement, we need to think about how we can de-construct this complex
issues into a series of decision points we can vote on.

Regards
Chew

On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 11:21 AM, C David Rigby <c.david.rigby at gmail.com>wrote:

> I also like v1 better than v2, but it is not a critical preference.
>
> Noting John's comment, I wonder if it would be possible to create the
> design as a template that each of us could modify in order to add our own
> name, email & phone number? Essentially, the template would need a blank
> space at the bottom for personal details.
>
> As far as the consideration of whether we are a community or an
> organization, I would suggest that they are not mutually exclusive. That,
> is, we are both. There is nothing wrong with that, either. Being an
> organized community is attractive to potential recruits, particularly if
> they are exploring Ubuntu, and FOSS in general, for business use.
>
> I also agree with K Sitt in that I do not think we need to worry too much
> about impersonation. However, if we think that we might some day evolve
> towards a professional organization, then we should consider trademarking
> the logo. Canonical has no problem with trademarking the Ubuntu symbols,
> after all. A project I used to be involved with some time ago recently got
> notification from Canonical to drop usage of their symbols, as they were too
> close to the official ones. The discussion is on the front page of the site,
> you can read it here: http://ubuntulite.tuxfamily.org/.
>
> Noting that we have talked about financial activities (paid installs,
> cupcake sales) in the past, do we want to consider the possibility of a more
> "organizational" approach? I'm not sure that paid installs are the way to
> go, since I think we should do that as a means of helping each other and new
> members. That's part of the Ubuntu spirit. But remember that Canonical is a
> business. Nothing about ubuntu the philosophy precludes being business-like.
> A business is unethical only if it pursues its own interests at the expense
> of all others.
>
> At a deeper level, I am also interested in how the philosophies of FOSS and
> Ubuntu can be spread to the business culture. The purely capitalist
> perspective is too short-sighted, and it externalizes costs at the expense
> of all of us. Everything, from environmental damage and exploitation of the
> poor to the current US financial crisis, proves that unrestrained
> capiltalism is not sustainable and harms all of us. This is perhaps the
> greatest challenge of the 21st century - how can we change the ethical and
> practical aspects of economic activity so that as many people as possible
> can live satisfying, healthy lives?
>
> I think that bringing the principles of FOSS and Ubuntu to more than just
> software is an effective way to meet that challenge. It is not "communism"
> as detractors will accuse. However, we have gone too far towards extreme
> capitalism. The best system will be the practical one that lies "somewhere
> in between" the extremes of pure capitalism and pure communism. Ubuntu and
> FOSS are about "communalism"; i.e., building communities. (See
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communalism).
>
> So, I do not see a conflict between organization (business) and community.
> Rather, we seek to integrate them. Good business practice should build good
> communities, just as good communities shouId build good businesses. If
> business and community are in conflict, then the economic system is flawed,
> or the participants are cheating. I am happy to use the tools of business to
> improve that system. Indeed, we should apply FOSS techniques to business
> just as we do to software. That way, we will evolve towards the best
> possible business practices, just as we evolve towards the best possible
> software.
>
> A trademark of our logo and a good organizational structure will attract
> business interest and prove our seriousness. That is exactly what is needed
> to convince the business people that they can profit in their businesses and
> at the same time help build a more ethical, efficient and just culture for
> all of us. Particularly in Singapore, but also in the West, GNU/Linux and
> the FOSS philosophy started gaining traction when it became valuable to
> business.
>
> Well, that was a longer tirage than I expected. But I tend to do that, as
> some of you are probably beginning to realize.
>
> If there is interest, I will begin to research what is required for
> trademarks and the like. But I am also content not to do so.
>
> Cheers
> CDR
>
>
> On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 3:37 AM, John Thng <johnthng83 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I forget to put.
>>
>> Personal Contact Number, which I saw almost every namecard has this one.
>>
>> Regards
>> John
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 9:32 AM, John Thng <johnthng83 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> If we put names there. It would be best to include personal email too.
>>> Because in the case people might need to have 1-to-1 email, it will be
>>> easier for them to do so.
>>>
>>> If email ends with ubuntu.sg, it will be much more nicer.
>>>
>>> Regards
>>> John
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 9:17 AM, K Sitt <k at sitt.com.sg> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Heidir,
>>>>
>>>> I like the info on V2 while the layout on V1 clearer. But on V1,I feel
>>>> like, "ubuntu-sg" and "Team Ubuntu Singapore" are competing for the space
>>>> and color. I still have no good answer for it tho.
>>>>
>>>> You have pointed out a good point, we are a community not an
>>>> organization. Unless we are an organization, lets not worry about
>>>> registering a trademark and such.
>>>>
>>>> And the risk of being impersonated by outsider as TUSG member is quite
>>>> rare and the social pressure will be far higher to the impersonator than
>>>> other cases. So, the image of the community would be pretty well protected.
>>>>
>>>> Best Rgds
>>>> K
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 6:56 AM, Muhammad Heidir <
>>>> dave33bravo at yahoo.com.sg> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>  Hi all,
>>>>>
>>>>> Latest design, Draft 2 released.
>>>>>
>>>>> Version 1: http://www.flickr.com/photos/30239298@N05/2880669738/
>>>>> Version 2: http://www.flickr.com/photos/30239298@N05/2879836487/
>>>>>
>>>>> I would be very happy to include all suggestions for change, but it
>>>>> just seemed impossible. I would prefer to post this up in the forum, but the
>>>>> webmaster has yet to change to Fireboard. We'll just have to wait then.
>>>>>
>>>>> About the trademark issue. Need some clarification. I decide not to
>>>>> include "TM". Unless somebody or someone can tell us how we can get it
>>>>> trademarked and the proper procedures. Anyway, this namecard will not be up
>>>>> for grabs and free for all. We have to restrict the usage of this namecard
>>>>> as this represents the vital nature of the Team. We are a community, not an
>>>>> organization and would like to keep it that way. Furthermore, we wouldnt
>>>>> want to tarnish the image we have created all this while.
>>>>>
>>>>> As usual, all feedback are welcome.
>>>>>
>>>>> Heidir
>>>>>
>>>>> PS: I'm not the General Manager for TUSG, its just an example!
>>>>>
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