From ruiboon at gmail.com Sun Jun 1 18:20:53 2008 From: ruiboon at gmail.com (Rui Boon) Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2008 02:20:53 +0800 Subject: [Ubuntu-SG] Request for ubuntuforums group name In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4842E885.5090204@gmail.com> Chew EK wrote: > hi friends > I am going to go ahead and create a group anyway. Once it's done, I > will post a link for anyone interested in joining. > But I decided not to simply called it "Singapore group", for reasons > which I prefer not to go into right now. > > Anyways, if you have suggestion on a name, please feedback. I will > wait a couple of days before proceeding. I'm leaning towards The > Kiasu group, lol. (basically I'm lame when coming up with a name). > > regards > Chew > P.S. In my previous post, I meant rykel, not ryker. Apologies to > rykel for the mistake. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Discover the new Windows Vista Learn more! > hi friends I have been away for a seminar, thus have not been able to give a prompt reply. +1 from me. I would also prefer to name it other than the "Singapore group". "The Kiasu group" seems like a good idea. As a STB official might put it, Uniquely Singapore! To me, posting in a mailing list and posting in a forum is different. Thus a lack of activity here might not necessarily mean that the forum idea will not work out. In fact, it is a good idea. Furthermore, if people are already a ubuntuforum user, there is no addition registration needed. Lets see how it work out. From what I have observed, there has been some singaporean in various part of the ubuntu community. Personally, i know of some people in irc, helping others in support, others in bugs and forums. Good job and keep it up ! Cheers Rui Boon From ruiboon at gmail.com Sun Jun 1 18:21:12 2008 From: ruiboon at gmail.com (Rui Boon) Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2008 02:21:12 +0800 Subject: [Ubuntu-SG] ubuntu.sg contains spam posts In-Reply-To: References: <9680ee4e0805230527m6bf9ba34w130391fd3ee2ab7f@mail.gmail.com> <1211635527.5760.13.camel@localhost0> <48382A45.9060109@gmail.com> <1211686129.5727.12.camel@localhost0> <1212159969.8551.3.camel@localhost0> Message-ID: <4842E898.7040905@gmail.com> Chew EK wrote: > > Subject: Re: [Ubuntu-SG] ubuntu.sg contains spam posts > > From: billy at ubuntu.sg > > To: chewek at hotmail.com > > CC: ubuntu-sg at lists.ubuntu.com > > Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 23:06:09 +0800 > > > > On Fri, 2008-05-30 at 05:16 +0000, Chew EK wrote: > > > > > > hi Everyone! > > > I have been lurking in this mail list for a while, but this the first > > > time I make a post. > > > > > > I agree that there are too few of us to make a Loco Team. (Side note: > > > anybody got an actual count?) > > > > Active or inactive members? :P As an interest, could the mailing list administrator gives us a number of those who have subscribed to this list? > Judging from the number of posts I have read here, I would say active > members you can count with your fingers. But if we got something > interesting going, maybe they will come out of the woodwork, like I > did now :-). Sad to say but i guess that is the Singaporean's mentality, if-it-does-not-concern-you-leave-it-alone. Do prove me wrong. I will be more than happy > > > > > > > But I have a counter proposal. I spent a lot of time at > > > ubuntuforums.org, hiding my real identity there :-). The new BB forum > > > version allows creating arbitrary/social groups. If there is enough > > > people interested we can create an informal Singapore group. > > > > Great idea but if people aren't mailing , I doubt they will post on BB. > > Is anyone else here over there? > > > > I have seen Ryker on rare occasions. The rest, if any, are probably > not identifying they are from Singapore. > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Explore the seven wonders of the world Learn more! > From kohsuhaw at gmail.com Mon Jun 2 10:50:05 2008 From: kohsuhaw at gmail.com (suhaw koh) Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 18:50:05 +0800 Subject: [Ubuntu-SG] ubuntu.sg contains spam posts In-Reply-To: <4842E898.7040905@gmail.com> References: <9680ee4e0805230527m6bf9ba34w130391fd3ee2ab7f@mail.gmail.com> <1211635527.5760.13.camel@localhost0> <48382A45.9060109@gmail.com> <1211686129.5727.12.camel@localhost0> <1212159969.8551.3.camel@localhost0> <4842E898.7040905@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1ce0dbe90806020350k79588d3ala3a0345538d97226@mail.gmail.com> 2008/6/2 Rui Boon : > Chew EK wrote: > > > > > Judging from the number of posts I have read here, I would say active > > members you can count with your fingers. But if we got something > > interesting going, maybe they will come out of the woodwork, like I > > did now :-). > Sad to say but i guess that is the Singaporean's mentality, > if-it-does-not-concern-you-leave-it-alone. Do prove me wrong. I will be > more than happy > The key here is probably what Chew EK wrote: "... if we got something interesting going ..." Oftentimes, it feels a chicken-and-egg conundrum: Something interesting will get people out of the woodwork and you need people to get out of the woodwork in order to get something interesting. To break out of this Catch-22, can somebody propose something interesting to get people out of the woodwork and then we can all contribute towards the something-interesting project ? Cheers. suhaw -- ________________________ Koh Su Haw 许树浩 http://suhaw.teresaville.org/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From chewek at hotmail.com Mon Jun 2 13:24:06 2008 From: chewek at hotmail.com (Chew EK) Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 13:24:06 +0000 Subject: [Ubuntu-SG] ubuntu.sg contains spam posts In-Reply-To: <1ce0dbe90806020350k79588d3ala3a0345538d97226@mail.gmail.com> References: <9680ee4e0805230527m6bf9ba34w130391fd3ee2ab7f@mail.gmail.com> <1211635527.5760.13.camel@localhost0> <48382A45.9060109@gmail.com> <1211686129.5727.12.camel@localhost0> <1212159969.8551.3.camel@localhost0> <4842E898.7040905@gmail.com> <1ce0dbe90806020350k79588d3ala3a0345538d97226@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 18:50:05 +0800 From: kohsuhaw at gmail.com To: ubuntu-sg at lists.ubuntu.com Subject: Re: [Ubuntu-SG] ubuntu.sg contains spam posts 2008/6/2 Rui Boon : Chew EK wrote: > > > Judging from the number of posts I have read here, I would say active > members you can count with your fingers. But if we got something > interesting going, maybe they will come out of the woodwork, like I > did now :-). Sad to say but i guess that is the Singaporean's mentality, if-it-does-not-concern-you-leave-it-alone. Do prove me wrong. I will be more than happy The key here is probably what Chew EK wrote: "... if we got something interesting going ..." Oftentimes, it feels a chicken-and-egg conundrum: Something interesting will get people out of the woodwork and you need people to get out of the woodwork in order to get something interesting. To break out of this Catch-22, can somebody propose something interesting to get people out of the woodwork and then we can all contribute towards the something-interesting project ? Cheers. suhaw -- ________________________ Koh Su Haw 许树浩 http://suhaw.teresaville.org/ Have to agree. Just thinking about "thinking about something interest", I'm already thinking "Aiyah! So mah huan!" But I started it, so I guess have to think very hard about it now. Teach me for being keh kiang. Anyways, to date, the suggested names are: Kiasu (chew) Singapore Happenings (rykel) Singapore Circle (rykel) Keep it coming folks. regards Chew _________________________________________________________________ Explore the seven wonders of the world http://search.msn.com/results.aspx?q=7+wonders+world&mkt=en-US&form=QBRE -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From billy at ubuntu.sg Mon Jun 2 13:44:33 2008 From: billy at ubuntu.sg (Maung Myat Thu @ Billy Aung Myint) Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2008 21:44:33 +0800 Subject: [Ubuntu-SG] ubuntu.sg contains spam posts In-Reply-To: <4842E898.7040905@gmail.com> References: <9680ee4e0805230527m6bf9ba34w130391fd3ee2ab7f@mail.gmail.com> <1211635527.5760.13.camel@localhost0> <48382A45.9060109@gmail.com> <1211686129.5727.12.camel@localhost0> <1212159969.8551.3.camel@localhost0> <4842E898.7040905@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1212414273.5977.0.camel@localhost0> On Mon, 2008-06-02 at 02:21 +0800, Rui Boon wrote: > Chew EK wrote: > > > Subject: Re: [Ubuntu-SG] ubuntu.sg contains spam posts > > > From: billy at ubuntu.sg > > > To: chewek at hotmail.com > > > CC: ubuntu-sg at lists.ubuntu.com > > > Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 23:06:09 +0800 > > > > > > On Fri, 2008-05-30 at 05:16 +0000, Chew EK wrote: > > > > > > > > hi Everyone! > > > > I have been lurking in this mail list for a while, but this the first > > > > time I make a post. > > > > > > > > I agree that there are too few of us to make a Loco Team. (Side note: > > > > anybody got an actual count?) > > > > > > Active or inactive members? :P > As an interest, could the mailing list administrator gives us a number > of those who have subscribed to this list? 51 members total :P regards billy > > Judging from the number of posts I have read here, I would say active > > members you can count with your fingers. But if we got something > > interesting going, maybe they will come out of the woodwork, like I > > did now :-). > Sad to say but i guess that is the Singaporean's mentality, > if-it-does-not-concern-you-leave-it-alone. Do prove me wrong. I will be > more than happy > > > > > > > > > > But I have a counter proposal. I spent a lot of time at > > > > ubuntuforums.org, hiding my real identity there :-). The new BB forum > > > > version allows creating arbitrary/social groups. If there is enough > > > > people interested we can create an informal Singapore group. > > > > > > Great idea but if people aren't mailing , I doubt they will post on BB. > > > Is anyone else here over there? > > > > > > > I have seen Ryker on rare occasions. The rest, if any, are probably > > not identifying they are from Singapore. > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Explore the seven wonders of the world Learn more! > > > > > From ruiboon at gmail.com Mon Jun 2 16:01:16 2008 From: ruiboon at gmail.com (Rui Boon) Date: Tue, 03 Jun 2008 00:01:16 +0800 Subject: [Ubuntu-SG] ubuntu.sg contains spam posts In-Reply-To: References: <9680ee4e0805230527m6bf9ba34w130391fd3ee2ab7f@mail.gmail.com> <1211635527.5760.13.camel@localhost0> <48382A45.9060109@gmail.com> <1211686129.5727.12.camel@localhost0> <1212159969.8551.3.camel@localhost0> <4842E898.7040905@gmail.com> <1ce0dbe90806020350k79588d3ala3a0345538d97226@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4844194C.5010508@gmail.com> > To break out of this Catch-22, can somebody propose something interesting to get people out of the woodwork and then we can all contribute > towards the something-interesting project ? >From the archive of this mailing list, there are some good idea. 1) "have a small local wiki to post nice tips that we collect from the ubuntu forum." [1] -> Maybe this could be implemented with the forum idea by Chew 2) Printing and distributing free "Powered by ubuntu" stickers [2] 3) Hold school events/fairs [3] > Anyways, to date, the suggested names are: > Kiasu (chew) > Singapore Happenings (rykel) > Singapore Circle (rykel) > Personally, i don't think there is a need to mention Singapore in the name. After all, i think everyone, to some extent, will associate themselves (whether negatively or positively) with "kiasu". Thus it is still the best candidate for the name. Keep the ideas flowing Cheers Rui Boon [1] https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-sg/2007-March/000044.html [2] https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-sg/2007-March/000035.html [3] https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-sg/2007-May/000157.html From ruiboon at gmail.com Mon Jun 2 16:09:54 2008 From: ruiboon at gmail.com (Rui Boon) Date: Tue, 03 Jun 2008 00:09:54 +0800 Subject: [Ubuntu-SG] ubuntu.sg contains spam posts In-Reply-To: <1212414273.5977.0.camel@localhost0> References: <9680ee4e0805230527m6bf9ba34w130391fd3ee2ab7f@mail.gmail.com> <1211635527.5760.13.camel@localhost0> <48382A45.9060109@gmail.com> <1211686129.5727.12.camel@localhost0> <1212159969.8551.3.camel@localhost0> <4842E898.7040905@gmail.com> <1212414273.5977.0.camel@localhost0> Message-ID: <48441B52.4000104@gmail.com> Maung Myat Thu @ Billy Aung Myint wrote: >> As an interest, could the mailing list administrator gives us a number >> of those who have subscribed to this list? >> > > 51 members total :P > > regards > billy > Wow. 51 members. Seems like we have a long road ahead. But let's us not be deterred by this number. To the man-in-the-street, he has a higher chance of knowing Ubuntu than LUGS. There has been some articles regarding ubuntu in Digital Life some time ago. (Wonder why there issnt now). We just have to capitalise on the popularity of ubuntu to the common man. In addition to the ideas listed in the previous post, we can also start by conducting introduction courses at the grassroots level. (CCs or RCs...) Cheers Rui Boon From chewek at hotmail.com Tue Jun 3 13:15:14 2008 From: chewek at hotmail.com (Chew EK) Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 13:15:14 +0000 Subject: [Ubuntu-SG] ubuntu.sg contains spam posts In-Reply-To: <4844194C.5010508@gmail.com> References: <9680ee4e0805230527m6bf9ba34w130391fd3ee2ab7f@mail.gmail.com> <1211635527.5760.13.camel@localhost0> <48382A45.9060109@gmail.com> <1211686129.5727.12.camel@localhost0> <1212159969.8551.3.camel@localhost0> <4842E898.7040905@gmail.com> <1ce0dbe90806020350k79588d3ala3a0345538d97226@mail.gmail.com> <4844194C.5010508@gmail.com> Message-ID: > Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 00:01:16 +0800 > From: ruiboon at gmail.com > To: chewek at hotmail.com > CC: ubuntu-sg at lists.ubuntu.com > Subject: Re: [Ubuntu-SG] ubuntu.sg contains spam posts > > > To break out of this Catch-22, can somebody propose something > interesting to get people out of the woodwork and then we can all > contribute > > towards the something-interesting project ? > > From the archive of this mailing list, there are some good idea. > 1) "have a small local wiki to post nice tips that we collect from the > ubuntu forum." [1] > -> Maybe this could be implemented with the forum idea by Chew The social group feature in ubuntuforums are quite rudimentary at the moment, quite similar to this mailing list, where having conversations are ok, but it is not possible to create separate threads. Only Loco Team with their sub-groups have the full forum features. But I do feel the social group feature is more user friendly that the mailing list. Expanding on the wiki idea, rather than collecting from ubuntu forums, we could concentrate on issues with local context. What I meant by that is, e.g. the post in the ubuntu.sg: *HOWTO: Connect to Singapore M1 Broadband with Huawei E220 USB Modem on Ubuntu Dapper* Since the howtos in ubuntu wiki and forums are excellent by themselves, I would prefer links to the relevant pages. Unfortunately, I have no experience with creating a wiki. But with a small group, I don't see a problem with individual blogs, members with a howto can post it and provide a link. > 2) Printing and distributing free "Powered by ubuntu" stickers [2] > 3) Hold school events/fairs [3] I recently did an introduction presentation about ubuntu to my colleagues. The funny thing is most of the audience is only impressed by Compiz Fusion, nevermind that I spend some effort advocating ubuntu is free in many sense of the word. I guess "free" MS Windows is still prevalent. :-) Then again, these are "jaded" working people, they don't get excited about cool software or OS. Maybe could do better with a younger crowd. > > Anyways, to date, the suggested names are: > > Kiasu (chew) > > Singapore Happenings (rykel) > > Singapore Circle (rykel) > > > Personally, i don't think there is a need to mention Singapore in the > name. After all, i think everyone, to some extent, will associate > themselves (whether negatively or positively) with "kiasu". Thus it is > still the best candidate for the name. > > Keep the ideas flowing Still waiting for a cool name. My kiasu mentality thinks "Kiasu" for a group name might come back and haunt us. lol But "Kiasu Ubuntu Users", that sounds slightly better. regards Chew _________________________________________________________________ Connect to the next generation of MSN Messenger  http://imagine-msn.com/messenger/launch80/default.aspx?locale=en-us&source=wlmailtagline -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kohsuhaw at gmail.com Wed Jun 4 00:35:46 2008 From: kohsuhaw at gmail.com (suhaw koh) Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 08:35:46 +0800 Subject: [Ubuntu-SG] Fwd: ubuntu.sg contains spam posts In-Reply-To: <1ce0dbe90806022316k7a1d2dbu7dd7376af63143a5@mail.gmail.com> References: <48382A45.9060109@gmail.com> <1211686129.5727.12.camel@localhost0> <1212159969.8551.3.camel@localhost0> <4842E898.7040905@gmail.com> <1212414273.5977.0.camel@localhost0> <48441B52.4000104@gmail.com> <1ce0dbe90806022316k7a1d2dbu7dd7376af63143a5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1ce0dbe90806031735h5df33bb6s6a891d3089e3f6a@mail.gmail.com> Oops... had meant to copy the post below to the mailing list. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: suhaw koh Date: 2008/6/3 Subject: Re: [Ubuntu-SG] ubuntu.sg contains spam posts To: Rui Boon 2008/6/3 Rui Boon : > Maung Myat Thu @ Billy Aung Myint wrote: > >> As an interest, could the mailing list administrator gives us a number > >> of those who have subscribed to this list? > > > > 51 members total :P > > > > Wow. 51 members. Seems like we have a long road ahead. But let's us not > be deterred by this number. > > To the man-in-the-street, he has a higher chance of knowing Ubuntu than > LUGS. There has been some articles regarding ubuntu in Digital Life some > time ago. (Wonder why there issnt now). > Digital Life is more likely to cover events and developments that are facilitated by some PR campaign. It is afterall so much easier to write an article after somebody else (a PR practitioner) has already gathered all the facts and marshalled all the arguments in a single media release. Call me an idealist, but if LUGS or somebody were to start forwarding media releases of new Linux developments to DL, together with real-life examples of how these developments are affecting local users, they will probably start publishing more Linux-related articles. > We just have to capitalise on the popularity of ubuntu to the common man. > > In addition to the ideas listed in the previous post, we can also start > by conducting introduction courses at the grassroots level. (CCs or RCs...) > Unfortunately, I am no techie. If anybody wants to volunteer his/her time for this, I am pretty sure PA (which runs the CC/RC/NC network) would gladly take up the offer. Afterall, what do they have to lose ? Btw, have you been to the PA website recently. I was told they were given a decent makeover by some Net-savvy individuals. Cheers. suhaw -- ________________________ Koh Su Haw 许树浩 http://suhaw.teresaville.org/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From billy at ubuntu.sg Wed Jun 4 03:01:03 2008 From: billy at ubuntu.sg (Maung Myat Thu @ Billy Aung Myint) Date: Wed, 04 Jun 2008 11:01:03 +0800 Subject: [Ubuntu-SG] ubuntu.sg contains spam posts In-Reply-To: References: <9680ee4e0805230527m6bf9ba34w130391fd3ee2ab7f@mail.gmail.com> <1211635527.5760.13.camel@localhost0> <48382A45.9060109@gmail.com> <1211686129.5727.12.camel@localhost0> <1212159969.8551.3.camel@localhost0> <4842E898.7040905@gmail.com> <1ce0dbe90806020350k79588d3ala3a0345538d97226@mail.gmail.com> <4844194C.5010508@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1212548463.6146.11.camel@localhost0> On Tue, 2008-06-03 at 13:15 +0000, Chew EK wrote: > > Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 00:01:16 +0800 > > From: ruiboon at gmail.com > > To: chewek at hotmail.com > > CC: ubuntu-sg at lists.ubuntu.com > > Subject: Re: [Ubuntu-SG] ubuntu.sg contains spam posts > > > > > To break out of this Catch-22, can somebody propose something > > interesting to get people out of the woodwork and then we can all > > contribute > > > towards the something-interesting project ? > > > > From the archive of this mailing list, there are some good idea. > > 1) "have a small local wiki to post nice tips that we collect from > the > > ubuntu forum." [1] > > -> Maybe this could be implemented with the forum idea by Chew > > The social group feature in ubuntuforums are quite rudimentary at the > moment, quite similar to this mailing list, where having conversations > are ok, but it is not possible to create separate threads. Only Loco > Team with their sub-groups have the full forum features. But I do > feel the social group feature is more user friendly that the mailing > list. > > Expanding on the wiki idea, rather than collecting from ubuntu forums, > we could concentrate on issues with local context. What I meant by > that is, e.g. the post in the ubuntu.sg: *HOWTO: Connect to Singapore > M1 Broadband with Huawei E220 USB Modem on Ubuntu Dapper* > > Since the howtos in ubuntu wiki and forums are excellent by > themselves, I would prefer links to the relevant pages. > > Unfortunately, I have no experience with creating a wiki. But with a > small group, I don't see a problem with individual blogs, members with > a howto can post it and provide a link. > > > > 2) Printing and distributing free "Powered by ubuntu" stickers [2] > > 3) Hold school events/fairs [3] > > I recently did an introduction presentation about ubuntu to my > colleagues. The funny thing is most of the audience is only impressed > by Compiz Fusion, nevermind that I spend some effort advocating ubuntu > is free in many sense of the word. I guess "free" MS Windows is still > prevalent. :-) > > Then again, these are "jaded" working people, they don't get excited > about cool software or OS. Maybe could do better with a younger > crowd. I disagree with the point that they don't get excited because they are jaded. It is because they don't see the value. Imagine companies publish how much they pay for their software every year and how it prevents giving out bonuses, you will find your colleagues suddenly become interested in how to use Linux at work to save money. Its always been like this in Singapore. Every decisions is controlled by managers who know shit about technology , whose aim is to cover their own ass and get bonus. So unless bonus are linked to budgets , they will forever use whatever is popular , never mind if it fits the problem at hand. Ask if any managers know more than Windows and Java and you be surprised. Bottom line is Singapore companies/schools go around pleasing everyone they know ... pathetic. But thats also the reason why Singapore is so predictable and thats why all the companies have HQ or regional HQ here instead of other cheaper workers/more resources/cheaper land countries. Here no riot even if you go around sending invoices to everyone for the idiotic patent that would be thrown out of court in any country. You can do anything you want as long as it has "business interest". Hell, I bet i can send invoices to people for not using Ubuntu and all I get will be complains and letters .... pretty tame here... /rant billy > > > > > Anyways, to date, the suggested names are: > > > Kiasu (chew) > > > Singapore Happenings (rykel) > > > Singapore Circle (rykel) > > > > > Personally, i don't think there is a need to mention Singapore in > the > > name. After all, i think everyone, to some extent, will associate > > themselves (whether negatively or positively) with "kiasu". Thus it > is > > still the best candidate for the name. > > > > Keep the ideas flowing > > Still waiting for a cool name. My kiasu mentality thinks "Kiasu" for > a group name might come back and haunt us. lol > But "Kiasu Ubuntu Users", that sounds slightly better. > > regards > Chew > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Connect to the next generation of MSN Messenger Get it now! From harizyet at singnet.com.sg Wed Jun 4 15:45:19 2008 From: harizyet at singnet.com.sg (Hariz Yet) Date: Wed, 04 Jun 2008 23:45:19 +0800 Subject: [Ubuntu-SG] ubuntu.sg contains spam posts Message-ID: <4846B88F.2020604@singnet.com.sg> "Unfortunately, I have no experience with creating a wiki. But with a small group, I don't see a problem with individual blogs, members with a howto can post it and provide a link." I have some knowledge in that field. Yes, i finally came out of the woodwork to post in the mailing list. Either way, if you need a hand in setting up any of the proposed plan, i maybe of assistance. However, there are some things we need to clarify. a wiki would be useful in some cases, but there must be a ubuntu advocate group in singapore as well. If not the wiki will only be serving us. A certain amount of "Advertising" must be done to ensure all of our work put into it is not only for show to a limited amount of people. We may use ubuntu, but would that mean, others might as well? Have a somewhat publicized grouping and then we can push on ahead with an expansion from a newsletter group. Also, if there is already a substantial number of people in this mailing list, could i suggest setting up a small forum as well. it would do well to show the community in singapore is of substantial size to the ubuntu community leaders before they give us LoCo. If there are a number willing, and have some free time to spare, why not we build a ubuntuSG flavor as well. Reprogram it a bit and redesign it to be more Singaporean. Well that's just an IMHO. Some stuff needs to be done before we can springboard the Singapore ubuntu to prominence. Cheers. Hariz. From ruiboon at gmail.com Wed Jun 11 17:29:12 2008 From: ruiboon at gmail.com (Rui Boon) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 01:29:12 +0800 Subject: [Ubuntu-SG] ideas for ubuntu-sg (was: ubuntu.sg contains spam posts) In-Reply-To: <1212548463.6146.11.camel@localhost0> References: <9680ee4e0805230527m6bf9ba34w130391fd3ee2ab7f@mail.gmail.com> <1211635527.5760.13.camel@localhost0> <48382A45.9060109@gmail.com> <1211686129.5727.12.camel@localhost0> <1212159969.8551.3.camel@localhost0> <4842E898.7040905@gmail.com> <1ce0dbe90806020350k79588d3ala3a0345538d97226@mail.gmail.com> <4844194C.5010508@gmail.com> <1212548463.6146.11.camel@localhost0> Message-ID: <48500B68.1080205@gmail.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 |>> From the archive of this mailing list, there are some good idea. |>> 1) "have a small local wiki to post nice tips that we collect from the |>> ubuntu forum." [1] |>> -> Maybe this could be implemented with the forum idea by Chew |> The social group feature in ubuntuforums are quite rudimentary at the |> moment, quite similar to this mailing list, where having conversations |> are ok, but it is not possible to create separate threads. Only Loco |> Team with their sub-groups have the full forum features. But I do |> feel the social group feature is more user friendly that the mailing |> list. |> |> Expanding on the wiki idea, rather than collecting from ubuntu forums, |> we could concentrate on issues with local context. What I meant by |> that is, e.g. the post in the ubuntu.sg: *HOWTO: Connect to Singapore |> M1 Broadband with Huawei E220 USB Modem on Ubuntu Dapper* It is a great idea to create howtos in the local context. Some suggestions: 1) Connecting to internet via those wireless broadband plan 2) Setting up mail clients for local ISPs (it may already be present at the ISPs' web but this howto will be specific to Ubuntu, or a link is provided for convenience sake) Any other suggestions? or what is the most common thing you will do after getting your hands on Ubuntu? (it does need not be in the local context) |> Unfortunately, I have no experience with creating a wiki. But with a |> small group, I don't see a problem with individual blogs, members with |> a howto can post it and provide a link. Hmm.. Being small can be to our advantage as well... |>> 2) Printing and distributing free "Powered by ubuntu" stickers [2] |>> 3) Hold school events/fairs [3] |> I recently did an introduction presentation about ubuntu to my |> colleagues. The funny thing is most of the audience is only impressed |> by Compiz Fusion, nevermind that I spend some effort advocating ubuntu |> is free in many sense of the word. I guess "free" MS Windows is still |> prevalent. :-) |> |> Then again, these are "jaded" working people, they don't get excited |> about cool software or OS. Maybe could do better with a younger |> crowd. | | I disagree with the point that they don't get excited because they are | jaded. It is because they don't see the value. Imagine companies publish | how much they pay for their software every year and how it prevents | giving out bonuses, you will find your colleagues suddenly become | interested in how to use Linux at work to save money. Being concerned about their bottom line does not always affects their business decisions. This explanation does not seems to explain the rise of firefox in corp environment. | | Its always been like this in Singapore. Every decisions is controlled by | managers who know shit about technology , whose aim is to cover their | own ass and get bonus. So unless bonus are linked to budgets , they will | forever use whatever is popular , never mind if it fits the problem at | hand. Ask if any managers know more than Windows and Java and you be | surprised. Ubuntu, or for the matter, any other linux distro, is lacking in press coverage here. Although there is a weekly article on Ubuntu in DL, it is not enough if we want to push the adoption rate of Ubuntu higher. Ubuntu needs more publicity here. We could start by writing some articles to be published in companies'/schools'/polytechnics'/universities'... newsletter. Mozilla's marketing for firefox is a good model for this. (Side note: firefox 3 is on RC2 now) |> Still waiting for a cool name. My kiasu mentality thinks "Kiasu" for |> a group name might come back and haunt us. lol |> But "Kiasu Ubuntu Users", that sounds slightly better. It seems good to me. Though of the following tag line, a bit long though:"Kiasu Ubuntu Users" where we only uses the best software Cheers Rui Boon -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFIUAtnzjrqiOSXNeMRAm7TAJ0QMpXt637jEG5/i9/MgUxz35P/KwCgn0CR Kt6cPLcXC5OLL8X4LG24CFM= =Eyiz -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From billy at ubuntu.sg Thu Jun 12 01:30:17 2008 From: billy at ubuntu.sg (Maung Myat Thu @ Billy Aung Myint) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 09:30:17 +0800 Subject: [Ubuntu-SG] ideas for ubuntu-sg (was: ubuntu.sg contains spam posts) In-Reply-To: <48500B68.1080205@gmail.com> References: <9680ee4e0805230527m6bf9ba34w130391fd3ee2ab7f@mail.gmail.com> <1211635527.5760.13.camel@localhost0> <48382A45.9060109@gmail.com> <1211686129.5727.12.camel@localhost0> <1212159969.8551.3.camel@localhost0> <4842E898.7040905@gmail.com> <1ce0dbe90806020350k79588d3ala3a0345538d97226@mail.gmail.com> <4844194C.5010508@gmail.com> <1212548463.6146.11.camel@localhost0> <48500B68.1080205@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1213234217.29446.11.camel@localhost0> On Thu, 2008-06-12 at 01:29 +0800, Rui Boon wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > > |>> From the archive of this mailing list, there are some good idea. > |>> 1) "have a small local wiki to post nice tips that we collect from the > |>> ubuntu forum." [1] > |>> -> Maybe this could be implemented with the forum idea by Chew > |> The social group feature in ubuntuforums are quite rudimentary at the > |> moment, quite similar to this mailing list, where having conversations > |> are ok, but it is not possible to create separate threads. Only Loco > |> Team with their sub-groups have the full forum features. But I do > |> feel the social group feature is more user friendly that the mailing > |> list. > |> > |> Expanding on the wiki idea, rather than collecting from ubuntu forums, > |> we could concentrate on issues with local context. What I meant by > |> that is, e.g. the post in the ubuntu.sg: *HOWTO: Connect to Singapore > |> M1 Broadband with Huawei E220 USB Modem on Ubuntu Dapper* > It is a great idea to create howtos in the local context. > Some suggestions: > 1) Connecting to internet via those wireless broadband plan > 2) Setting up mail clients for local ISPs (it may already be present at > the ISPs' web but this howto will be specific to Ubuntu, or a link is > provided for convenience sake) And a link to how to install ubuntu as well? I keep getting emails on how to do that and worse some noobs try to dual-boot ubuntu with windows the first time. And threaten to go back to windows if i don't help ... sad ... > > Any other suggestions? or what is the most common thing you will do > after getting your hands on Ubuntu? (it does need not be in the local > context) > |> Unfortunately, I have no experience with creating a wiki. But with a > |> small group, I don't see a problem with individual blogs, members with > |> a howto can post it and provide a link. > Hmm.. Being small can be to our advantage as well... > |>> 2) Printing and distributing free "Powered by ubuntu" stickers [2] > |>> 3) Hold school events/fairs [3] > |> I recently did an introduction presentation about ubuntu to my > |> colleagues. The funny thing is most of the audience is only impressed > |> by Compiz Fusion, nevermind that I spend some effort advocating ubuntu > |> is free in many sense of the word. I guess "free" MS Windows is still > |> prevalent. :-) > |> > |> Then again, these are "jaded" working people, they don't get excited > |> about cool software or OS. Maybe could do better with a younger > |> crowd. > | > | I disagree with the point that they don't get excited because they are > | jaded. It is because they don't see the value. Imagine companies publish > | how much they pay for their software every year and how it prevents > | giving out bonuses, you will find your colleagues suddenly become > | interested in how to use Linux at work to save money. > Being concerned about their bottom line does not always affects their > business decisions. This explanation does not seems to explain the rise > of firefox in corp environment. I agree it doesn't , possible that firefox got great security reputation. But I still held my points for OSS in general. Openoffice is a good example. which office needs advanced office features to justify paying $500? for a copy of MS office? If you use excel macros or access extensively , yes. But besides them why would a company pay? You could say installing Linux is hard and users may not be used to Linux and blah blah blah but I don't see much difference between MS office and OO for normal functions ... FILE OPEN SAVE blah blah blah. > | > | Its always been like this in Singapore. Every decisions is controlled by > | managers who know shit about technology , whose aim is to cover their > | own ass and get bonus. So unless bonus are linked to budgets , they will > | forever use whatever is popular , never mind if it fits the problem at > | hand. Ask if any managers know more than Windows and Java and you be > | surprised. > Ubuntu, or for the matter, any other linux distro, is lacking in press > coverage here. Although there is a weekly article on Ubuntu in DL, it is > not enough if we want to push the adoption rate of Ubuntu higher. Ubuntu > needs more publicity here. We could start by writing some articles to be > published in companies'/schools'/polytechnics'/universities'... > newsletter. Mozilla's marketing for firefox is a good model for this. > (Side note: firefox 3 is on RC2 now) > |> Still waiting for a cool name. My kiasu mentality thinks "Kiasu" for > |> a group name might come back and haunt us. lol > |> But "Kiasu Ubuntu Users", that sounds slightly better. > It seems good to me. Though of the following tag line, a bit long > though:"Kiasu Ubuntu Users" where we only uses the best software > > > Cheers > > Rui Boon > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) > > iD8DBQFIUAtnzjrqiOSXNeMRAm7TAJ0QMpXt637jEG5/i9/MgUxz35P/KwCgn0CR > Kt6cPLcXC5OLL8X4LG24CFM= > =Eyiz > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > From joel_yew at yahoo.com.sg Thu Jun 12 13:27:19 2008 From: joel_yew at yahoo.com.sg (Joel Yew) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 21:27:19 +0800 (CST) Subject: [Ubuntu-SG] Spread the word Message-ID: <2042.27783.qm@web76104.mail.sg1.yahoo.com> Hi, im new here, andthis is my first "post". I was wondering, maybe someone could spread Ubuntu over the PC SHOW, maybe pass out cds? --------------------------------- Search. browse and book your hotels and flights through Yahoo! 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Regards, Rykel™ [Aen™] [林瑞祥™] rykel98 at gmail.com sip:aenrykel at sip.voipdiscount.com rykel.blogspot.com aennyone.blogspot.com US: +1.319-264-2124 (Washington) SG: +65.82888-049 (Orchard Road) MY: +60.13-4008-749 (Penang) VN: +84.93-264-3369 (Ho Chi Minh) Delicious, eBay, GoogleTalk, Gizmo5, Meebo, MSN, Skype, Twitter and Yahoo: rykel98 | AIM: aenrykel | ICQ: 22768140 2008/6/12 John Thng : > Hi, I'm new to the mailing list. > > I've gone to the PC Show today. > > I saw some ubuntu related stuff in some of the booth. > One is the suzuki laptop with ubuntu laptop on the display although it > might be running windows instead. I'm not sure how the ubuntu sticker ends > up there. > And the other one offers $100 off for linux version from truenote, and the > linux used is Ubuntu > Both are on the 4th floor. > And if anyone wants to hold talk or publish articles or contribute ubuntu > materials or others to NTU through the revived NTU Open Source Society, feel > free to contact me. > I post this comments in response to > https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-sg/2008-June/000267.html > > Regards, > John > > -- > Ubuntu-SG mailing list > Ubuntu-SG at lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-sg > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From chewek at hotmail.com Thu Jun 12 16:27:52 2008 From: chewek at hotmail.com (Chew EK) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 16:27:52 +0000 Subject: [Ubuntu-SG] Hi all ubuntu fans In-Reply-To: References: <6706d1e40806120650t7555d7fahe02f269b11e5843d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Hey! Suddenly there are more people coming in, it's great. Sorry for the delay in setting up the ubuntuforums social group. I was holding off because of the lack of response. Also, quite occupied currently with installing Debian on NSLU2 (just playing around to gain experience and knowledge). But I will proceed with the group set-up as soon as possible. Hope everyone will come on board. Cheers! ----- Chew Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 23:19:06 +0800 From: rykel98 at gmail.com To: johnthng83 at gmail.com CC: ubuntu-sg at lists.ubuntu.com Subject: Re: [Ubuntu-SG] Hi all ubuntu fans Hi John, Welcome and it all sounds great! I have used Ubuntu since Warty Wathog, and will be most happy to share my Linux experience with people. Let me know if you have some pre-existing slides which need a speaker, or help in any area. See you all around soon. Regards, Rykel™ [Aen™] [林瑞祥™] rykel98 at gmail.com sip:aenrykel at sip.voipdiscount.com rykel.blogspot.com aennyone.blogspot.com US: +1.319-264-2124 (Washington) SG: +65.82888-049 (Orchard Road) MY: +60.13-4008-749 (Penang) VN: +84.93-264-3369 (Ho Chi Minh) Delicious, eBay, GoogleTalk, Gizmo5, Meebo, MSN, Skype, Twitter and Yahoo: rykel98 | AIM: aenrykel | ICQ: 22768140 2008/6/12 John Thng : Hi, I'm new to the mailing list. I've gone to the PC Show today. I saw some ubuntu related stuff in some of the booth. One is the suzuki laptop with ubuntu laptop on the display although it might be running windows instead. I'm not sure how the ubuntu sticker ends up there. And the other one offers $100 off for linux version from truenote, and the linux used is Ubuntu Both are on the 4th floor. And if anyone wants to hold talk or publish articles or contribute ubuntu materials or others to NTU through the revived NTU Open Source Society, feel free to contact me. I post this comments in response to https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-sg/2008-June/000267.html Regards, John -- Ubuntu-SG mailing list Ubuntu-SG at lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-sg _________________________________________________________________ Connect to the next generation of MSN Messenger  http://imagine-msn.com/messenger/launch80/default.aspx?locale=en-us&source=wlmailtagline -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From johnthng83 at gmail.com Thu Jun 12 16:33:21 2008 From: johnthng83 at gmail.com (John Thng) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 00:33:21 +0800 Subject: [Ubuntu-SG] Hi all ubuntu fans In-Reply-To: References: <6706d1e40806120650t7555d7fahe02f269b11e5843d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6706d1e40806120933qd740730g36789b10af5520ba@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 11:19 PM, Rykel™ (Aen™) wrote: > Hi John, > > Welcome and it all sounds great! I have used Ubuntu since Warty Wathog, and > will be most happy to share my Linux experience with people. Let me know if > you have some pre-existing slides which need a speaker, or help in any area. > See you all around soon. > > > > Regards, > > Rykel™ [Aen™] [林瑞祥™] > rykel98 at gmail.com > sip:aenrykel at sip.voipdiscount.com > rykel.blogspot.com > aennyone.blogspot.com > > US: +1.319-264-2124 (Washington) > SG: +65.82888-049 (Orchard Road) > MY: +60.13-4008-749 (Penang) > VN: +84.93-264-3369 (Ho Chi Minh) > > Delicious, eBay, GoogleTalk, Gizmo5, Meebo, MSN, Skype, Twitter and Yahoo: > rykel98 | AIM: aenrykel | ICQ: 22768140 > > Okay thanks :) Anyway, as for the PC Show, some times it's disappointing that despite they market Ubuntu pre-installed laptops to be cheaper, the salesman do not know much to promote it. Regards John -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ruiboon at gmail.com Thu Jun 12 17:04:36 2008 From: ruiboon at gmail.com (Rui Boon) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 01:04:36 +0800 Subject: [Ubuntu-SG] Hi all ubuntu fans In-Reply-To: <6706d1e40806120933qd740730g36789b10af5520ba@mail.gmail.com> References: <6706d1e40806120650t7555d7fahe02f269b11e5843d@mail.gmail.com> <6706d1e40806120933qd740730g36789b10af5520ba@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <48515724.3010504@gmail.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 John Thng wrote: | On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 11:19 PM, Rykel™ (Aen™) > wrote: | | Hi John, | | Welcome and it all sounds great! I have used Ubuntu since Warty Wathog, and will be most happy to share my Linux experience with people. Let me know if you have some pre-existing slides which need a speaker, or help in any area. See you all around soon. | | | | Regards, | | Rykel™ [Aen™] [林瑞祥™] | rykel98 at gmail.com | sip:aenrykel at sip.voipdiscount.com | rykel.blogspot.com | aennyone.blogspot.com | | US: +1.319-264-2124 (Washington) | SG: +65.82888-049 (Orchard Road) | MY: +60.13-4008-749 (Penang) | VN: +84.93-264-3369 (Ho Chi Minh) | | Delicious, eBay, GoogleTalk, Gizmo5, Meebo, MSN, Skype, Twitter and Yahoo: rykel98 | AIM: aenrykel | ICQ: 22768140 | | | Okay thanks :) | | Anyway, as for the PC Show, some times it's disappointing that despite they market Ubuntu pre-installed laptops to be cheaper, the salesman do not know much to promote it. | | Regards | John Maybe we could come out with a salesman-guide to ubuntu? and distribute it to the companies that sell ubuntu based laptop for their salesmen (or distribute it straight to the salesman)? Although we may not be able to rush it out now, but there should be enough time for the upcoming it-show (not sure what is it called) in Sep or Nov/Dec 2008? Also, we could have a why-use-ubuntu guide for users to be distributed together with the laptops? A rough flowchart on how we may go about doing it. 1) Gather information on why-use-ubuntu from website like ubuntu marketing. 2) Compile it with some fancy graphics. 3) Print it. 4) Distribute it. Cheers Rui Boon -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFIUVcjzjrqiOSXNeMRAry2AJ9Pvhco4TK/tddJ/n6pYLB9WVX3RgCePYw2 akTNFnlysBK69U0CPWEJ0UQ= =M6po -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From jett at bsd.ph Fri Jun 13 00:18:22 2008 From: jett at bsd.ph (Jett Tayer) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 08:18:22 +0800 Subject: [Ubuntu-SG] ideas for ubuntu-sg (was: ubuntu.sg contains spam posts) In-Reply-To: <48500B68.1080205@gmail.com> References: <9680ee4e0805230527m6bf9ba34w130391fd3ee2ab7f@mail.gmail.com> <1211635527.5760.13.camel@localhost0> <48382A45.9060109@gmail.com> <1211686129.5727.12.camel@localhost0> <1212159969.8551.3.camel@localhost0> <4842E898.7040905@gmail.com> <1ce0dbe90806020350k79588d3ala3a0345538d97226@mail.gmail.com> <4844194C.5010508@gmail.com> <1212548463.6146.11.camel@localhost0> <48500B68.1080205@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1213316302.13600.8.camel@t40.sg.mediaconcepts.com> > Ubuntu, or for the matter, any other linux distro, is lacking in press > coverage here. Although there is a weekly article on Ubuntu in DL, it is > not enough if we want to push the adoption rate of Ubuntu higher. Ubuntu > needs more publicity here. We could start by writing some articles to be > published in companies'/schools'/polytechnics'/universities'... > newsletter. Mozilla's marketing for firefox is a good model for this. > (Side note: firefox 3 is on RC2 now) > |> Still waiting for a cool name. My kiasu mentality thinks "Kiasu" for > |> a group name might come back and haunt us. lol > |> But "Kiasu Ubuntu Users", that sounds slightly better. > It seems good to me. Though of the following tag line, a bit long > though:"Kiasu Ubuntu Users" where we only uses the best software > For a start i believe we need to post articles featuring companies here that uses ubuntu as their day-to-day server. - Jett From rykel98 at gmail.com Fri Jun 13 02:03:58 2008 From: rykel98 at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Rykel=E2=84=A2_(Aen=E2=84=A2)?=) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 10:03:58 +0800 Subject: [Ubuntu-SG] Hi all ubuntu fans In-Reply-To: <48515724.3010504@gmail.com> References: <6706d1e40806120650t7555d7fahe02f269b11e5843d@mail.gmail.com> <6706d1e40806120933qd740730g36789b10af5520ba@mail.gmail.com> <48515724.3010504@gmail.com> Message-ID: Or they can employ us on a exhibition-basis instead of their salesmen! : ) I second the "The Idiot's Guide To Selling Ubuntu Laptops" idea. Regards, Rykel™ [Aen™] [林瑞祥™] rykel98 at gmail.com sip:aenrykel at sip.voipdiscount.com US: +1.319-264-2124 (Washington) SG: +65.82888-049 (Orchard Road) MY: +60.13-4008-749 (Penang) VN: +84.93-264-3369 (Ho Chi Minh) Delicious, eBay, GoogleTalk, Gizmo5, Meebo, MSN, Skype, Twitter and Yahoo: rykel98 | AIM: aenrykel | ICQ: 22768140 2008/6/13 Rui Boon : > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > John Thng wrote: > | On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 11:19 PM, Rykel™ (Aen™) rykel98 at gmail.com>> wrote: > | > | Hi John, > | > | Welcome and it all sounds great! I have used Ubuntu since Warty > Wathog, and will be most happy to share my Linux experience with people. Let > me know if you have some pre-existing slides which need a speaker, or help > in any area. See you all around soon. > | > | > | > | Regards, > | > | Rykel™ [Aen™] [林瑞祥™] > | rykel98 at gmail.com > | sip:aenrykel at sip.voipdiscount.com sip%3Aaenrykel at sip.voipdiscount.com > > > | rykel.blogspot.com > | aennyone.blogspot.com > | > | US: +1.319-264-2124 (Washington) > | SG: +65.82888-049 (Orchard Road) > | MY: +60.13-4008-749 (Penang) > | VN: +84.93-264-3369 (Ho Chi Minh) > | > | Delicious, eBay, GoogleTalk, Gizmo5, Meebo, MSN, Skype, Twitter and > Yahoo: rykel98 | AIM: aenrykel | ICQ: 22768140 > | > | > | Okay thanks :) > | > | Anyway, as for the PC Show, some times it's disappointing that despite > they market Ubuntu pre-installed laptops to be cheaper, the salesman do not > know much to promote it. > | > | Regards > | John > Maybe we could come out with a salesman-guide to ubuntu? and distribute it > to the companies that sell ubuntu based laptop for their salesmen (or > distribute it straight to the salesman)? Although we may not be able to rush > it out now, but there should be enough time for the upcoming it-show (not > sure what is it called) in Sep or Nov/Dec 2008? > > Also, we could have a why-use-ubuntu guide for users to be distributed > together with the laptops? > > A rough flowchart on how we may go about doing it. > > 1) Gather information on why-use-ubuntu from website like ubuntu marketing. > 2) Compile it with some fancy graphics. > 3) Print it. > 4) Distribute it. > > > Cheers > > Rui Boon > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) > > iD8DBQFIUVcjzjrqiOSXNeMRAry2AJ9Pvhco4TK/tddJ/n6pYLB9WVX3RgCePYw2 > akTNFnlysBK69U0CPWEJ0UQ= > =M6po > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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We could start by writing some articles to be > > published in companies'/schools'/polytechnics'/universities'... > > newsletter. Mozilla's marketing for firefox is a good model for this. > > (Side note: firefox 3 is on RC2 now) > > |> Still waiting for a cool name. My kiasu mentality thinks "Kiasu" for > > |> a group name might come back and haunt us. lol > > |> But "Kiasu Ubuntu Users", that sounds slightly better. > > It seems good to me. Though of the following tag line, a bit long > > though:"Kiasu Ubuntu Users" where we only uses the best software > > > > For a start i believe we need to post articles featuring companies here > that uses ubuntu as their day-to-day server. > > - Jett Other than server, it's good to include companies which implement ubuntu as workstations. And also local individuals happy experience with ubuntu :) And by the way, does the team includes kubuntu/xbuntu users too? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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We could start by writing some articles to be | > published in companies'/schools'/polytechnics'/universities'... | > newsletter. Mozilla's marketing for firefox is a good model for this. | > (Side note: firefox 3 is on RC2 now) | > |> Still waiting for a cool name. My kiasu mentality thinks "Kiasu" for | > |> a group name might come back and haunt us. lol | > |> But "Kiasu Ubuntu Users", that sounds slightly better. | > It seems good to me. Though of the following tag line, a bit long | > though:"Kiasu Ubuntu Users" where we only uses the best software | > | | For a start i believe we need to post articles featuring companies here | that uses ubuntu as their day-to-day server. | | - Jett | | | Other than server, it's good to include companies which implement ubuntu as workstations. | And also local individuals happy experience with ubuntu :) | | And by the way, does the team includes kubuntu/xbuntu users too? There are some companies using linux as their backend server and/or workstations. Not sure if they are using ubuntu though. Some high-profile ones are Singapore Airline (Krisworld), GV (uses linux in its server.) and our defence ministry. There is a list of opensource users at http://wiki.lugs.org.sg/OpenSourceUsers Personally, i am using ubuntu, not really sure if there is any kubuntu/xbuntu users here. Cheers Rui Boon -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFIUgmNzjrqiOSXNeMRAulcAJwM6DtT1c/sErx3thWHhEksMbt4lQCfakO5 wj4z8JDZxfUCDThXzGqtRZM= =i4KB -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From chewek at hotmail.com Fri Jun 13 08:04:26 2008 From: chewek at hotmail.com (Chew EK) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 08:04:26 +0000 Subject: [Ubuntu-SG] ideas for ubuntu-sg (was: ubuntu.sg contains spam posts) In-Reply-To: <6706d1e40806122232w1c421b80y9e0c8243f51ce5c8@mail.gmail.com> References: <4842E898.7040905@gmail.com> <1ce0dbe90806020350k79588d3ala3a0345538d97226@mail.gmail.com> <4844194C.5010508@gmail.com> <1212548463.6146.11.camel@localhost0> <48500B68.1080205@gmail.com> <1213316302.13600.8.camel@t40.sg.mediaconcepts.com> <6706d1e40806122232w1c421b80y9e0c8243f51ce5c8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 13:32:17 +0800 From: johnthng83 at gmail.com To: jett at bsd.ph CC: ubuntu-sg at lists.ubuntu.com Subject: Re: [Ubuntu-SG] ideas for ubuntu-sg (was: ubuntu.sg contains spam posts) Other than server, it's good to include companies which implement ubuntu as workstations. And also local individuals happy experience with ubuntu :) And by the way, does the team includes kubuntu/xbuntu users too? I have one Xubuntu install. I had tried Kubuntu, didn't like KDE. _________________________________________________________________ Explore the seven wonders of the world http://search.msn.com/results.aspx?q=7+wonders+world&mkt=en-US&form=QBRE -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From chewek at hotmail.com Fri Jun 13 08:10:37 2008 From: chewek at hotmail.com (Chew EK) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 08:10:37 +0000 Subject: [Ubuntu-SG] (no subject) Message-ID: At long last, Kiasu Ubuntu Users has been created: http://ubuntuforums.org/group.php?groupid=167 I hope to see everyone there. PS. This mail list is ok, but the different mail clients are mangling the posting. With the social group, I hope it's easier for everyone to read. ----- Chew _________________________________________________________________ Invite your mail contacts to join your friends list with Windows Live Spaces. It's easy! http://spaces.live.com/spacesapi.aspx?wx_action=create&wx_url=/friends.aspx&mkt=en-us -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ruiboon at gmail.com Fri Jun 13 08:18:04 2008 From: ruiboon at gmail.com (Rui Boon) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 16:18:04 +0800 Subject: [Ubuntu-SG] (no subject) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48522D3C.3030608@gmail.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Chew EK wrote: | .hmmessage P { margin:0px; padding:0px } body.hmmessage { FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY:Tahoma } At long last, Kiasu Ubuntu Users has been created: | http://ubuntuforums.org/group.php?groupid=167 | | I hope to see everyone there. | | PS. This mail list is ok, but the different mail clients are mangling the posting. With the social group, I hope it's easier for everyone to read. | | ----- | Chew | | | ------------------------- | Invite your mail contacts to join your friends list with Windows Live Spaces. It's easy! Try it! Thanks Chew. Added myself there (asisayit). Cheers Rui Boon -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFIUi07zjrqiOSXNeMRAom9AJsE1pEgYcIEUqHBFPBPmEfm/P/g3QCfYk3q heJNot32qKSUPFUeOV5GdVU= =iyK0 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From ruiboon at gmail.com Fri Jun 13 15:12:48 2008 From: ruiboon at gmail.com (Rui Boon) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 23:12:48 +0800 Subject: [Ubuntu-SG] Hi all ubuntu fans In-Reply-To: References: <6706d1e40806120650t7555d7fahe02f269b11e5843d@mail.gmail.com> <6706d1e40806120933qd740730g36789b10af5520ba@mail.gmail.com> <48515724.3010504@gmail.com> Message-ID: <48528E70.1070208@gmail.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Rykel™ (Aen™) wrote: | Or they can employ us on a exhibition-basis instead of their salesmen! : ) | | I second the "The Idiot's Guide To Selling Ubuntu Laptops" idea. | I have spoke to #ubuntu-marketing, and said that it is a great project. I have also submitted it to brainstorm [0], currently with 19 votes. Shall we adopt this as a loco project? Materials are readily available online. [1] Seems to be a good template, that we can work on. [0] http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/9831/ [1] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKMarketing/Leaflets?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=leaflet_hadenough_beta.pdf Cheers Rui Boon -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFIUo5vzjrqiOSXNeMRAqYUAJ9E2pQcP8uAbHHA8r45e+aACm3G2gCglYzx HzXoMibY3l6dEDn+JoIoaio= =bQ/T -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From johnthng83 at gmail.com Fri Jun 13 18:47:20 2008 From: johnthng83 at gmail.com (John Thng) Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2008 02:47:20 +0800 Subject: [Ubuntu-SG] Hi all ubuntu fans In-Reply-To: <48528E70.1070208@gmail.com> References: <6706d1e40806120650t7555d7fahe02f269b11e5843d@mail.gmail.com> <6706d1e40806120933qd740730g36789b10af5520ba@mail.gmail.com> <48515724.3010504@gmail.com> <48528E70.1070208@gmail.com> Message-ID: <6706d1e40806131147p1c6cfac0x32b93878f7c25d49@mail.gmail.com> On Fri, Jun 13, 2008 at 11:12 PM, Rui Boon wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Rykel™ (Aen™) wrote: > | Or they can employ us on a exhibition-basis instead of their salesmen! : > ) > | > | I second the "The Idiot's Guide To Selling Ubuntu Laptops" idea. > | > > I have spoke to #ubuntu-marketing, and said that it is a great project. I > have also submitted it to brainstorm [0], currently with 19 votes. > > Shall we adopt this as a loco project? > > Materials are readily available online. [1] Seems to be a good template, > that we can work on. > > > [0] http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/9831/ > [1] > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKMarketing/Leaflets?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=leaflet_hadenough_beta.pdf > > > Cheers > > Rui Boon > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) > > iD8DBQFIUo5vzjrqiOSXNeMRAqYUAJ9E2pQcP8uAbHHA8r45e+aACm3G2gCglYzx > HzXoMibY3l6dEDn+JoIoaio= > =bQ/T > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > Ya, another thing is that the leaflets don't even put Ubuntu even if they say Linux. Yes, it comes with Linux, but never state as "Ubuntu Linux", this is the case of Acer Computers bacvk when I saw in Sim Lim Square, in which they mentioned "Linux" generally instead of "Linpus Linux", I think I heard some even say linux is like ms-dos or what. Other than salesman, those doing marketing and design leaflets, should be educated also. If anyone try ask any of the sellers linux, I think they will know nuts about it. I think to sell more, the laptops/umpcs nowadays should be cheap and good. They only promote the cheapness but not the goodness. It is good to see if we can get the guide concise, it'll be good. I know for consumers, they want to get things up pretty fast and do not want to go from beginning of maze to the end. My slogan currently: do less, produce more :) Some tutorials online to start off with is pretty intensive, especially for getting all the codecs and also sun java plugin to work. Possible to have an accompanying quick start guide to be distributed for every laptop with ubuntu sold? If there's a GUI to the guide posted in forums, it'll be good. Or else, people might buy linux laptop because of the cost, and then without really using it, remove it away. I know ubuntu cannot put proprietary codecs or proprietary java in, but it's greatly used here, and we should bridge it ...??? Ubuntu will be better in release schedule and also better in support frame than those like Linux Mint globally. Another example, msn with web cam? Since many have msn locally, and some even use web cam. How do they know amsn can? I don't think the answer pop straight out suddenly if they never heard of it. A local Singapore context of quick start guide might be needed to cater the mass. And perhaps Skype too ... One of the problem people face, is that, they do not know where to find help. Where is the best place, and some do not know how to search well. For drivers I can omit, since the laptops comes with ubuntu pre-installed, the drivers issues should have settled. Btw, side questions, where can I get powered by ubuntu stickers now? And also is the NUS mirror back to normal already? Because I get a bit upset, when I get high speed download, but it break connection frequently last time ... If yes, we should advise users to change ... And another question, do we need to refresh and revive the site? It's a bit outdated atm and dapper I don't use dapper before. I recommend the Hello and welcome to Ubuntu.sg to be put in the heading news before first news always. On the wiki, I'm trying to see the group in singapore and i visited irc, there's no one there. #ubuntu-sg And is it time to update to irc.ubuntu.com? The pidgin in ubuntu has defaulted to irc.ubuntu.com , although it's still freenode, but it would be more appropriate and easier. Since nowadays people are lazy or dunno irc, maybe a simple guide for joining irc in pidgin :) Last question, I'm not sure if ubuntu stuff will be present in this year's Software Freedom Day. Sorry a bit long the email, and I don't know if some of the points have been repeated or not, if so, sorry, and thanks for reading. 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URL: From billy at ubuntu.sg Sun Jun 15 03:17:32 2008 From: billy at ubuntu.sg (Maung Myat Thu @ Billy Aung Myint) Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2008 11:17:32 +0800 Subject: [Ubuntu-SG] Hi all ubuntu fans In-Reply-To: <6706d1e40806131147p1c6cfac0x32b93878f7c25d49@mail.gmail.com> References: <6706d1e40806120650t7555d7fahe02f269b11e5843d@mail.gmail.com> <6706d1e40806120933qd740730g36789b10af5520ba@mail.gmail.com> <48515724.3010504@gmail.com> <48528E70.1070208@gmail.com> <6706d1e40806131147p1c6cfac0x32b93878f7c25d49@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1213499852.8403.11.camel@localhost0> On Sat, 2008-06-14 at 02:47 +0800, John Thng wrote: > On Fri, Jun 13, 2008 at 11:12 PM, Rui Boon wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > > Rykel™ (Aen™) wrote: > | Or they can employ us on a exhibition-basis instead of their > salesmen! : ) > | > | I second the "The Idiot's Guide To Selling Ubuntu Laptops" > idea. > | > > > I have spoke to #ubuntu-marketing, and said that it is a > great project. I have also submitted it to brainstorm [0], > currently with 19 votes. > > Shall we adopt this as a loco project? > > Materials are readily available online. [1] Seems to be a good > template, that we can work on. > > > [0] http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/9831/ > [1] > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKMarketing/Leaflets?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=leaflet_hadenough_beta.pdf > > > > Cheers > > Rui Boon > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) > > > iD8DBQFIUo5vzjrqiOSXNeMRAqYUAJ9E2pQcP8uAbHHA8r45e > +aACm3G2gCglYzx > HzXoMibY3l6dEDn+JoIoaio= > =bQ/T > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > Ya, another thing is that the leaflets don't even put Ubuntu even if > they say Linux. > Yes, it comes with Linux, but never state as "Ubuntu Linux", this is > the case of Acer Computers bacvk when I saw in Sim Lim Square, in > which they mentioned "Linux" generally instead of "Linpus Linux", I > think I heard some even say linux is like ms-dos or what. Other than > salesman, those doing marketing and design leaflets, should be > educated also. If anyone try ask any of the sellers linux, I think > they will know nuts about it. > > I think to sell more, the laptops/umpcs nowadays should be cheap and > good. They only promote the cheapness but not the goodness. > > It is good to see if we can get the guide concise, it'll be good. > > I know for consumers, they want to get things up pretty fast and do > not want to go from beginning of maze to the end. Because to them , a computer is a tool to make something , nothing more. > > My slogan currently: do less, produce more :) > > Some tutorials online to start off with is pretty intensive, > especially for getting all the codecs and also sun java plugin to > work. Thats one of the main problem with Windows users jumping to Linux , look at what was said "I know for consumers, they want to get things up pretty fast and do not want to go from beginning of maze to the end." But trying a new tool mean there will be some changes and there will be some new things to learn. Remember , people complaint about driving test cars using manuals while most cars come with auto??? These are the kind of people we are dealing here. > > Possible to have an accompanying quick start guide to be distributed > for every laptop with ubuntu sold? If there's a GUI to the guide > posted in forums, it'll be good. Or else, people might buy linux > laptop because of the cost, and then without really using it, remove > it away. That is unlikely to happen ... teaching people Ubuntu will makes people get confused with Linux and Ubuntu.. remember , these are the people who doesn't know windows , they just know where is start button. > > I know ubuntu cannot put proprietary codecs or proprietary java in, > but it's greatly used here, and we should bridge it ...??? Ubuntu will > be better in release schedule and also better in support frame than > those like Linux Mint globally. > > Another example, msn with web cam? Since many have msn locally, and > some even use web cam. How do they know amsn can? I don't think the > answer pop straight out suddenly if they never heard of it. A local > Singapore context of quick start guide might be needed to cater the > mass. And perhaps Skype too ... > > One of the problem people face, is that, they do not know where to > find help. Where is the best place, and some do not know how to search > well. We can't help there , blame education system for teaching facts not teaching how to learn. > > For drivers I can omit, since the laptops comes with ubuntu > pre-installed, the drivers issues should have settled. still got printer drivers.. > > Btw, side questions, where can I get powered by ubuntu stickers now? > And also is the NUS mirror back to normal already? Because I get a bit > upset, when I get high speed download, but it break connection > frequently last time ... If yes, we should advise users to change ... Its been up for a long time now... btw when you get slow download , check the link , it may be not from NUS ... I usually get slow updates from security.ubuntu.com not NUS mirror. NUS mirror is usually blazing. > > And another question, do we need to refresh and revive the site? > It's a bit outdated atm and dapper I don't use dapper before. > > I recommend the > Hello and welcome to Ubuntu.sg > to be put in the heading news before first news always. > > On the wiki, I'm trying to see the group in singapore and i visited > irc, there's no one there. > #ubuntu-sg yah ... its been empty since it was registered :P > > And is it time to update to irc.ubuntu.com? The pidgin in ubuntu has > defaulted to irc.ubuntu.com , although it's still freenode, but it > would be more appropriate and easier. > Since nowadays people are lazy or dunno irc, maybe a simple guide for > joining irc in pidgin :) > > Last question, I'm not sure if ubuntu stuff will be present in this > year's Software Freedom Day. It will be ... worse come to worse , I will wear Ubuntu t-shirt... anyone know where can I get my hand on one of them? > > Sorry a bit long the email, and I don't know if some of the points > have been repeated or not, if so, sorry, and thanks for reading. > > Regards > John From johnthng83 at gmail.com Sun Jun 15 04:09:31 2008 From: johnthng83 at gmail.com (John Thng) Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2008 12:09:31 +0800 Subject: [Ubuntu-SG] Hi all ubuntu fans In-Reply-To: <1213499852.8403.11.camel@localhost0> References: <6706d1e40806120650t7555d7fahe02f269b11e5843d@mail.gmail.com> <6706d1e40806120933qd740730g36789b10af5520ba@mail.gmail.com> <48515724.3010504@gmail.com> <48528E70.1070208@gmail.com> <6706d1e40806131147p1c6cfac0x32b93878f7c25d49@mail.gmail.com> <1213499852.8403.11.camel@localhost0> Message-ID: <6706d1e40806142109v6c844691y377c28ee0afa213f@mail.gmail.com> On Sun, Jun 15, 2008 at 11:17 AM, Maung Myat Thu @ Billy Aung Myint < billy at ubuntu.sg> wrote: Thats one of the main problem with Windows users jumping to Linux , look at what was said "I know for consumers, they want to get things up pretty fast and do not want to go from beginning of maze to the end." But trying a new tool mean there will be some changes and there will be some new things to learn. Remember , people complaint about driving test cars using manuals while most cars come with auto??? These are the kind of people we are dealing here. That is unlikely to happen ... teaching people Ubuntu will makes people get confused with Linux and Ubuntu.. remember , these are the people who doesn't know windows , they just know where is start button. We can't help there , blame education system for teaching facts not teaching how to learn. still got printer drivers.. Its been up for a long time now... btw when you get slow download , check the link , it may be not from NUS ... I usually get slow updates from security.ubuntu.com not NUS mirror. NUS mirror is usually blazing. yah ... its been empty since it was registered :P It will be ... worse come to worse , I will wear Ubuntu t-shirt... anyone know where can I get my hand on one of them? That's some might prefer pre-configured ones. Or that's why Eee choose Xandros ... I'm not sure is it really legal to bundle those proprietary codecs inside Ubuntu Linux/Linux Mint in Singapore. Of cos, with pure ubuntu, we can have another objective. To promote free and open source, as we all know here, people get educated on proprietary drivers when they want to install it. We need to educate them what's really wrong with using the number one IM in Singapore, which everyone know. And another thing, they still have the dated mindset and thought terminal is ms-dos. I think that adapting to changes, is one of the problem that some people are avoiding mac also. But still there are people who have changed and like mac. We need to do that. Make people like Ubuntu Linux. We would need to learn to market well. Ubuntu stands for humanity. :) One good thing over mac, is ubuntu has livecd and works on pc more than those hacked mac os x does. And also it shoul runs pretty well on old hardware. NUS is fast download, but fast till it break connection when I tried last time, and I keep resetting the updating procedure to download again. It's up, but whether it's fixed I do not know. Anyway, I'm happy with Taiwan's one, I would get 1 megabyte per second during certain time. If the irc channel is empty, might as well don't put reference to it. I went in there and found no one there ... The Canonical Store got sell but not sure whether it shipped here or not. Oh can we make our own Ubuntu T-Shirt here? Maybe can put "Singapore" or "Ubuntu-SG" word in :) It'll be nice and better. Printers in Linux is based on CUPS ya? Mac OS X uses CUPS too. Hmm ... anyway, my Brother Printer and my Mustek Scanner works fine :) I'm not sure how many people use MultiSync, luckily my phone can sync Contacts/Tasks/Appointments. It's one of the thing that needs to be improved for some people who depend on Sync. 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URL: From billy at ubuntu.sg Sun Jun 15 06:51:32 2008 From: billy at ubuntu.sg (Maung Myat Thu @ Billy Aung Myint) Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2008 14:51:32 +0800 Subject: [Ubuntu-SG] Hi all ubuntu fans In-Reply-To: <6706d1e40806142109v6c844691y377c28ee0afa213f@mail.gmail.com> References: <6706d1e40806120650t7555d7fahe02f269b11e5843d@mail.gmail.com> <6706d1e40806120933qd740730g36789b10af5520ba@mail.gmail.com> <48515724.3010504@gmail.com> <48528E70.1070208@gmail.com> <6706d1e40806131147p1c6cfac0x32b93878f7c25d49@mail.gmail.com> <1213499852.8403.11.camel@localhost0> <6706d1e40806142109v6c844691y377c28ee0afa213f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1213512692.8403.22.camel@localhost0> On Sun, 2008-06-15 at 12:09 +0800, John Thng wrote: > > On Sun, Jun 15, 2008 at 11:17 AM, Maung Myat Thu @ Billy Aung Myint > wrote: > > Thats one of the main problem with Windows users jumping to > Linux , look > at what was said "I know for consumers, they want to get > things up > pretty fast and do not want to go from beginning of maze to > the end." > But trying a new tool mean there will be some changes and > there will be > some new things to learn. Remember , people complaint about > driving test > cars using manuals while most cars come with auto??? These are > the kind > of people we are dealing here. > That is unlikely to happen ... teaching people Ubuntu will > makes people > get confused with Linux and Ubuntu.. remember , these are the > people who > doesn't know windows , they just know where is start button. > We can't help there , blame education system for teaching > facts not > teaching how to learn. > still got printer drivers.. > Its been up for a long time now... btw when you get slow > download , > check the link , it may be not from NUS ... I usually get slow > updates > from security.ubuntu.com not NUS mirror. NUS mirror is usually > blazing. > yah ... its been empty since it was registered :P > It will be ... worse come to worse , I will wear Ubuntu > t-shirt... > anyone know where can I get my hand on one of them? > > > That's some might prefer pre-configured ones. Or that's why Eee choose > Xandros ... I'm not sure is it really legal to bundle those > proprietary codecs inside Ubuntu Linux/Linux Mint in Singapore. Of > cos, with pure ubuntu, we can have another objective. To promote free > and open source, as we all know here, people get educated on > proprietary drivers when they want to install it. We need to educate > them what's really wrong with using the number one IM in Singapore, > which everyone know. > > And another thing, they still have the dated mindset and thought > terminal is ms-dos. > > I think that adapting to changes, is one of the problem that some > people are avoiding mac also. But still there are people who have > changed and like mac. We need to do that. Make people like Ubuntu > Linux. We would need to learn to market well. Ubuntu stands for > humanity. :) One good thing over mac, is ubuntu has livecd and works > on pc more than those hacked mac os x does. And also it shoul runs > pretty well on old hardware. > > NUS is fast download, but fast till it break connection when I tried > last time, and I keep resetting the updating procedure to download > again. It's up, but whether it's fixed I do not know. Anyway, I'm > happy with Taiwan's one, I would get 1 megabyte per second during > certain time. > > If the irc channel is empty, might as well don't put reference to it. > I went in there and found no one there ... (usually empty) is written besides that though .. but yes it should be removed. thanks :P > > > The Canonical Store got sell but not sure whether it shipped here or > not. Oh can we make our own Ubuntu T-Shirt here? Maybe can put > "Singapore" or "Ubuntu-SG" word in :) It'll be nice and better. > > Printers in Linux is based on CUPS ya? Mac OS X uses CUPS too. Hmm ... > anyway, my Brother Printer and my Mustek Scanner works fine :) > > I'm not sure how many people use MultiSync, luckily my phone can sync > Contacts/Tasks/Appointments. It's one of the thing that needs to be > improved for some people who depend on Sync. > > I'm not sure whether this year's Software Freedom Day, are there any > distribution points for Ubuntu Cds? Hopefully there is. There will be , actually this year we are planning to have a linux conf in Singapore. Everything is still in planning stage and nothing concrete but if there is CD booth , there will be Ubuntu CDs ... I will make sure of that. regards billy > > Best Regards > > John > From johnthng83 at gmail.com Sun Jun 15 09:19:48 2008 From: johnthng83 at gmail.com (John Thng) Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2008 17:19:48 +0800 Subject: [Ubuntu-SG] Hi all ubuntu fans In-Reply-To: <1213512692.8403.22.camel@localhost0> References: <6706d1e40806120650t7555d7fahe02f269b11e5843d@mail.gmail.com> <6706d1e40806120933qd740730g36789b10af5520ba@mail.gmail.com> <48515724.3010504@gmail.com> <48528E70.1070208@gmail.com> <6706d1e40806131147p1c6cfac0x32b93878f7c25d49@mail.gmail.com> <1213499852.8403.11.camel@localhost0> <6706d1e40806142109v6c844691y377c28ee0afa213f@mail.gmail.com> <1213512692.8403.22.camel@localhost0> Message-ID: <6706d1e40806150219s6ff3a704q2bd0d5b0788b8d75@mail.gmail.com> On Sun, Jun 15, 2008 at 2:51 PM, Maung Myat Thu @ Billy Aung Myint < billy at ubuntu.sg> wrote: > > (usually empty) is written besides that though .. but yes it should be > removed. thanks :P > > > There will be , actually this year we are planning to have a linux conf > in Singapore. Everything is still in planning stage and nothing concrete > but if there is CD booth , there will be Ubuntu CDs ... I will make sure > of that. > > regards > billy > > Oh I see. There's great. regards John -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From johnthng83 at gmail.com Tue Jun 17 04:17:47 2008 From: johnthng83 at gmail.com (John Thng) Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2008 12:17:47 +0800 Subject: [Ubuntu-SG] (no subject) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6706d1e40806162117v7949c71fu57df23d5c24e6a9b@mail.gmail.com> On Fri, Jun 13, 2008 at 4:10 PM, Chew EK wrote: > At long last, Kiasu Ubuntu Users has been created: > http://ubuntuforums.org/group.php?groupid=167 > > I hope to see everyone there. > > PS. This mail list is ok, but the different mail clients are mangling the > posting. With the social group, I hope it's easier for everyone to read. > > ----- > Chew > > > ------------------------------ > Invite your mail contacts to join your friends list with Windows Live > Spaces. It's easy! Try it! > > -- > Ubuntu-SG mailing list > Ubuntu-SG at lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-sg > > Btw, I have a look at Facebook Groups too. I guess more will use facebook more than ubuntu groups ya? Is it possible to have a group there too also? John -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From chewek at hotmail.com Tue Jun 17 12:37:05 2008 From: chewek at hotmail.com (Chew EK) Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2008 12:37:05 +0000 Subject: [Ubuntu-SG] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <6706d1e40806162117v7949c71fu57df23d5c24e6a9b@mail.gmail.com> References: <6706d1e40806162117v7949c71fu57df23d5c24e6a9b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: >Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2008 12:17:47 +0800 >From: johnthng83 at gmail.com >To: chewek at hotmail.com >Subject: Re: [Ubuntu-SG] (no subject) >CC: ubuntu-sg at lists.ubuntu.com > >Btw, I have a look at Facebook Groups too. I guess more will use facebook more than ubuntu groups ya? Is it possible to have a group there too also? > >John I tried using Facebook a few months back, didn't stay. But if there are people hanging out there, I will join. ----- Chew _________________________________________________________________ News, entertainment and everything you care about at Live.com. Get it now! http://www.live.com/getstarted.aspx