[Ubuntu-SG] TUSG - August 28, 2008 Meeting Agenda

Thu Aug 28 06:16:01 UTC 2008

Hi,

Sorry a bit OT, but never mind keep it as future reference and discuss in
future.

It is a misconception that linux can't play games on lab computers. Games
exist in many forms. The ability to install games by users is a great
compromise of security as sys admin allow that. There's one exception, you
can't prevent people from playing flash games.

My school uses windows xp in labs even though it comes with vista
pre-installed. Some labs have dual boot but not much people use. One of the
problem is courseware package. Linux can't play elearning videos that are in
streaming windows media.

And the number one annoyance is the school system use m$ exchange ... Which
works well only on M$ Outlook and also M$ IE for the "ENHANCED FEATURES"
while other browsers will get "BASIC FEATURES", a great product to make
other browsers and systems look bad.

Most lecturers in my school uses .doc/.ppt on courses, which might not
nicely in OpenOffice.org. And worst still, some of them requires us to
submit assignments strictly to those formats. It's good if they strictly
suggest odf instead, more people will have more choice on open source
suites. Btw, the libraries in my school here all upgraded to M$ office 2007
this semester.

And labs still depend on windows due to some courses that requires
proprietary software which they didn't change. Examples like ms sql server
2005 and others. I can say if lecturers implement open source like mysql in
this case, more students will use open source products like mysql and
others.

Luckily the labs didn't upgrade to windows vista especially electronics,
because they still need the old software and hyperterminal which is removed
from windows vista.

We have just took over an Open Source Club, which can say to be super
inactive for almost three years. If you want to start one, find some
same-interest friends(Quite hard, some just need CCA points or so, just heck
care), and lecturers or so, and start one.

Majority of students here knows nuts cos they come from different countries.
India people might know, but china students do not know. And just a notice,
a lot might not know the top open source product, firefox.

Ideal approach should be those prominent managers or professionals in the
open source industries, can help to go to schools and educate the IT people,
lecturers, IT librarians in schools. I don't feel students are up to educate
them much. By changing the mindset, and knowledge of these people, they can
implement open source systems in schools, which is much more efficient than
changing the mindset of certain students, who might try for a while and
discard it, due to the schools heavily dependent on windows systems and
proprietary software.

There are Open Source/Linux Clubs in NTU(Recently revived)/NUS/SMU
I am thinking of an alliance of the clubs, which can share/collaborate
resources. And also be more organised too. Currently I saw, there are lack
of cooperation here and there, and a lot of last min stuff. And also new
clubs might face a lot of problems when starting up and might need a bit
help from external organisations or so. A simple seminar on how to start up
linux clubs in Singapore Schools, might help a lot to others, since a lot of
things new clubs don't know about it, what events to be held, where to find
resources, marketing resources and others.

And by the way, to say linux users groups can do well to spread linux might
be false. Most of the time, open source spread through events, but events
one or two times per 6/12 months? Looks a bit inactive? And the penetration
rate is not high also. This is one of the problems school linux clubs.

For me, I don't have reference what activities for OpenSource Days or Events
we need to hold in club. Which companies to look for? These are some
difficulties of new club. Some open source clubs in school might have 1 or
couple people which need much great assistance than this, we all know this
is the minority factor.

And before we spread ubuntu linux well, we need to make people know of open
source tools well first also, else I will foreseen a lot of problems and
will result, run once, and uninstall/throw away the next moment.

Btw, suhaw: he is referring to engineering school of temasek polytechnic

Thanks, if we would keep this as reference, and chat after software freedom
day.
Or else, just private email first.

Regards
John

On Thu, Aug 28, 2008 at 12:56 PM, ho yi hao <hounited1 at gmail.com> wrote:

> what i was thinking was, why not we start a club in one of the school. With
> that, there would be several things that we could do. For example, we do
> know that some school, like mine(tp) don't allow students to play games on
> lab computer. With that, Linux comes in a good option for them.
>
> In another case, my school(engine) still uses windows 2000 even though the
> computer that they bought had xp pre installed. Would it be better if we
> recommand them to use linux which could help them enforced their school
> rules. We know that most of the time, computer in school are only used for
> word processing(we can use open office) or surfing the web. Linux could do
> all that for free.
>
>
> It wont be a surprise if we pick any students in a poly and have a majority
> of them not knowing about linux..
>
> So i was wondering, would it be possible to start a club that deals with
> linux? like promoting it?
>
> cheers,
> with regards,
> Yi hao
> 98574690
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 9:37 PM, Maung Myat Thu @ Billy Aung Myint <
> billy at ubuntu.sg> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 2008-08-27 at 18:38 +0800, ho yi hao wrote:
>> > hi all..haven really been replying to all the email..
>> >
>> > I was wondering if, why not rather than targeting the common public
>> > why not we target polytechnics or rather school first. As long as we
>> > can start a Ubutun/linux user group in any poly we would be able to
>> > raise funds easier..
>>
>> Because LUGS is already active in schools. I speak as the former
>> vice-president/organiser/speaker of 3 Opensource Days events at NP , TP
>> and RP. Also for schools , redhat/novell is easier to sell. NP has
>> fedora at computer labs when I left. It will also be tough to sell a
>> software that has no HQ here.
>>
>> >
>> > Next, to get funds, we can also start providing some service like
>> > maintaining linux computer at a small fee..
>>
>> Linux or Ubuntu support? Also there are companies giving support. I
>> rather not go into that area. We are not-for-profit group. If you would
>> like to give support for a fee , pls do so. But not in our name.
>>
>> >
>> > This would enable us to get funds for future events..
>> >
>> > If anyone is interested with my ideas and would like to know more, can
>> > sms me or just email me..
>> >
>> > cheers,
>> > Yi Hao
>> > 98574690
>> >
>> > On Mon, Aug 25, 2008 at 11:18 PM, Muhammad Heidir
>> > <dave33bravo at yahoo.com.sg> wrote:
>> >         Hi all,
>> >
>> >         Attached is the meeting agenda. In the agenda is an overview
>> >         of the event floor plan as discussed during Singapore Linux
>> >         Meetup Usergroup meeting. Please feedback to me if there are
>> >         any changes to the agenda.
>> >
>> >         Regards,
>> >         Heidir
>> >
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