[Ubuntu-SG] [Bulk] Re: South-East Asian FOSS Collaboration

[Rykel™ (Aen™)]

Hi Nicholas,

Do you have a handphone no.? I will be in KL this weekend (probably staying
near Bt Bintang area) and _might_ be able to meet up with you for a
breakfast on Sat morning. I have a Malaysian no. too (see my signature) -
provided it is still useable!


Best Regards,

Rykel™
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2008/8/11 Maung Myat Thu @ Billy Aung Myint <billy at ubuntu.sg>

> On Mon, 2008-08-11 at 07:47 +0800, Muhammad Heidir wrote:
> > I am utterly disturbed by this loop. I know about its existence, but
> > now I know more why it happened.
> > Billy, your loop is well understood.
> >
> > Is it possible that we penetrate the use of FOSS starting at
> > educational instructors? If only they are guided and make known about
> > the existence of free alternatives and its benefits, I'm sure it can
> > be taken into consideration. Once we are able to set their mind open,
> > hopefully, they are able to extend this among their learners. That is
> > for educational part.
>
> Yup , thats definitely my point. Actually schools do have Linux. When I
> was in NP , they used to dual boot windows and fedora in the computer
> labs. I am not sure they still do but the problem is not that Linux
> isn't available to school , but its the lack of good teachers at the top
> level such as poly and uni thats cripples the whole thing. Its hard to
> teach something that you rarely use in practice and you will definitely
> will have no passions.
>
> >
> > In business organizations, (in my opinion) the reason why they adopt
> > redmond products, are in terms of resources (as highlighted by Billy)
> > and the amount of paid support that businesses can turn to should they
> > encounter problems, including the added security of receiving timely
> > patches.
> >
> > I know Red Hat Enterprise Linux is well-received because of paid
> > support. So much so that some adopters turn from free to paid support,
> > not from paid to free. This are one of the areas, FOSS might consider
> > if they have resources and the user-base is large.
> >
> > Anyway, thanks Billy for the heads-up!
> >
> > On Mon, 2008-08-11 at 00:08 +0800, Maung Myat Thu @ Billy Aung Myint
> > wrote:
> > > On Sun, 2008-08-10 at 20:14 폍㐲驦鴝誼⮢힇裘鲆襚낋炊奛秇ꮵꢧ霨⭹ꭢ缇鲢 come up for a
> meeting. I'm sure
> > > > we can share ideas, experiences and plan about promoting FOSS
> adoption
> > > > in the region. This will bring great benefits to each other
> culturally
> > > > too.
> > > >
> > > > I heard that Malaysia and Indonesia has a lot of FOSS users due to
> its
> > > > low-cost(..free) and can be tailored to different languages such as
> > > > Bahasa Malaysia and Bahasa Indonesia. My guess is, FOSS can be
> readily
> > > > accepted mainstream, its just a matter of time. I would like to know
> > > > you thoughts about this.
> > > >
> > > > Whereas in Singapore, most of the companies here prefers Microsoft,
> > > > because they come pre-installed, and Microsoft provides support
> > > > including most of the Administrators are MCSE certified. The problem
> > > > starts at the educational level, where students are overly exposed to
> > > > Microsoft based Operating Systems and Applications. Due to this
> > > > familiarisation and training conducted on Microsoft products,
> > > > naturally they are more accustomed to use it. If only we could
> project
> > > > to them the benefits and advantage of using an Open systems, they
> will
> > > > somehow understand.
> > >
> > > Actually the problem is a recursive loop. Teachers themselves are not
> > > sure about anything other than windows so they will make a hell of a
> > > noise if schools buy non-ms systems and of course they can't teach any
> > > other than windows.So they teach windows to students who only learnt
> > > windows.
> > >
> > > Since everyone who got out of IT school knows windows , they are
> > > everywhere and are dirt cheap to hire and fire.Therefore companies love
> > > them. And the companies only buy windows systems because the people
> they
> > > hire only knows windows.
> > >
> > > Since companies only hire windows admins/programmers , schools only
> > > teach windows stuff saying market only wants windows skills. and this
> > > goes on and on and on and on and on.... sort of like a recursive loop
> > >
> > > Ramblings from former vice-president of NgeeAnn Polytechnic Linux Users
> > > Group,
> > > billy
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Anyway, I look forward to meeting with South-East Asians FOSS
> > > > enthusiasts!
> > > >
> > > > Best Regards,
> > > > supervivid
> > >
>
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