<html><body bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><div>Well there were a number of considerations that I took into account, on the decsion, and yup Zimbra was in the top 3. Here are some of my reasons why I went with Zarafa.</div><div><br></div><div>1. Let's face it we are admins and can get by using any mail client to get the job done. But on the other hand users in general can't / won't even try. And people like Outlook. (blah I know) so far Zarafa is the only fully compliant MAPI server, and from my tests so far, outlook and zarafa play very well with each other!</div><div><br></div><div>2. The CEO likes his blackberry and Zarafa works with BES server, not to mention Z_push to push to my iPhone and other mobile phones.</div><div><br></div><div>3. One word calandars! With this setup unlike Zimbra, users don't have to use a web interface, nor learn something new, it just works like before, and sharing works great!</div><div><br></div><div>4. The pay for version also comes with great migration tools. So I can import PST files into zarafa so users don't loose a thing. Not to mention Active Directory authentication is simple to setup.</div><div><br></div><div>So as you can see most of my reasoning is because of what the users need, and them not needing to learn anything new. Plus administration of zarafa is a bit simpler than zimbra.</div><div><br></div><div>Cheers,</div><div>Eric</div><div><br>Sent from my iPhone</div><div><br>On Jan 30, 2010, at 3:33 AM, "Nikolai K. Bochev" <<a href="mailto:n.bochev@grandstarco.com">n.bochev@grandstarco.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><div></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div style="font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 12pt; color: #000000">Just out of curiosity, why did you choose Zarafa, over lets say Zimbra ?<br>I am currently deploying zimbra on all my installs/clients, but i am always looking for new solutions.<br><br>----- Original Message -----<br>From: "Eric Peters" <<a href="mailto:eric@linuxsystems.net">eric@linuxsystems.net</a>><br>To: "Douglas Stanley" <<a href="mailto:douglas.m.stanley@gmail.com">douglas.m.stanley@gmail.com</a>><br>Cc: <a href="mailto:ubuntu-server@lists.ubuntu.com"><a href="mailto:ubuntu-server@lists.ubuntu.com">ubuntu-server@lists.ubuntu.com</a></a><br>Sent: Friday, January 29, 2010 8:18:03 PM<br>Subject: Re: Mail Server<br><br>Whooo hoooo GUM!<br><br>Hey Doug,<br><br>Anyway I'm in the process of migrating from Exchange as we speak, the setup I'm using is ASSP > Postfix > Zarafa <br>And I agree about mailscanner, and amavis, spamassassin = pain in the arse That's why I like ASSP all of those rolled <br>
into one nice SMTP transparent proxy ;) you should check it out.<br><br>Cheers,<br>Eric<br><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 8:49 AM, Douglas Stanley <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:douglas.m.stanley@gmail.com" target="_blank"><a href="mailto:douglas.m.stanley@gmail.com">douglas.m.stanley@gmail.com</a></a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">Well, just my 2 cents, realistically, what's more of a security risk,<br>
running webmin, or running windows server? :)<br>
I'd actually put them about neck and neck. You basically asking to get<br>
hacked either way, unless you really<br>
lock down the webmin, but if you know enough to do that, then you<br>
probably aren't running webmin.<br>
<br>
As for mail, yeah what all would this mail server be doing? If you're<br>
talking about using it in conjunction<br>
with win 2k3 server, most people who do that use ubuntu/linux as the<br>
filtering proxy, but maybe this person<br>
is trying to migrate away from exchange...<br>
<br>
If you're making a relay/filtering proxy, then I'd say postfix +<br>
amavisd-new +clamd + spamassassin...<br>
I wish I had an easier to configure option, but it seems the only<br>
other major alternative is mailscanner,<br>
which seems just as difficult to configure as amavis.<br>
<br>
As for mail storage, seems like dovecot is the standard choice,<br>
however, I've long been a huge fan of<br>
dbmail. It's probably the easiest mail store to set up and maintain.<br>
Plus it's very fast, and pretty easy<br>
to scale (just need to know how to scale a db server).<br>
<br>
Anyway, just my 2 cents :) Everyone keeps chipping in their 2 cents,<br>
and we'll soon have enough to buy<br>
a pack of gum!<br>
<br>
Doug<br>
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On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 10:56 AM, Eric Peters <<a href="mailto:eric@linuxsystems.net" target="_blank"><a href="mailto:eric@linuxsystems.net">eric@linuxsystems.net</a></a>> wrote:<br>
> In my humble opinion webmin shouldn't be used in a production environment<br>
> (or any environment for that matter). Remember a web-server running Webmin<br>
> must be run 'setuid root', an improperly configured Webmin can pose a huge<br>
> security threat to the system running it. Having such a powerful tool in the<br>
> hands of a ignorant new user that is publicly accessible is just asking for<br>
> trouble. If you can't administrate your server via CLI then you'd be better<br>
> off running a windows server. Just my 2 cents on the webmin thing.<br>
><br>
> Also there are other questions that need to be asked before you just sudo<br>
> apt-get install MTA, IMAP, ANTI-SPAM, ANTI-VIRUS etc...<br>
><br>
> i.e. is this mail server going to just be an MTA, is it going to provide a<br>
> mail store for users, is it going to provide access to the mail store via<br>
> IMAP, POP, or some other protocol, is it going to have any enhanced security<br>
> for relays, spam, viruses etc... or do you just need the server to send<br>
> system email. This is why I feel why you shouldn't just tasksel mail server,<br>
> your going to have to do some research and planing before deploying a mail<br>
> server.<br>
><br>
> Cheers,<br>
> Eric<br>
><br>
> On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 6:15 AM, Jim Tarvid <<a href="mailto:tarvid@ls.net" target="_blank"><a href="mailto:tarvid@ls.net">tarvid@ls.net</a></a>> wrote:<br>
>><br>
>> I am curious. Why shouldn't a new debian/ubuntu not use tasksel<br>
>> mail-server?<br>
>><br>
>> tarvid@venus:~$ tasksel --task-packages mail-server<br>
>> dovecot-imapd<br>
>> procmail<br>
>> dovecot-common<br>
>> postfix<br>
>> libpth20<br>
>> libgpgme11<br>
>> libmysqlclient16<br>
>> mutt<br>
>> libpq5<br>
>> ssl-cert<br>
>> mailx<br>
>> bsd-mailx<br>
>> dovecot-pop3d<br>
>> mysql-common<br>
>><br>
>> Not a bad start in two minutes flat.<br>
>><br>
>> And why shouldn't a new user install webmin? They get a tool to explore<br>
>> configuration and a path towards intimacy and awareness that can lead to<br>
>> understanding. Of course, intellectual investment is required.<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 8:51 AM, Emil Tullstedt <<a href="mailto:sakjur@gmail.com" target="_blank"><a href="mailto:sakjur@gmail.com">sakjur@gmail.com</a></a>> wrote:<br>
>>><br>
>>> Best Andrew!<br>
>>> With Server 2003, do you mean Windows Server 2003 or a server from 2003?<br>
>>> Ubuntu Server is not an add-on for Windows Server 2003, but an external<br>
>>> server operative system.<br>
>>> If you wants to setup a mailserver with Ubuntu, please look at this page<br>
>>> first:<br>
>>> <a href="https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MailServer" target="_blank"><a href="https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MailServer">https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MailServer</a></a><br>
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>>> sakjur<br>
>>> Emil Tullstedt<br>
>>> ~~~~~~~~~~<br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>> On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 2:05 PM, Andrew Butcher<br>
>>> <<a href="mailto:andrew.butcher@zambia.co.zm" target="_blank"><a href="mailto:andrew.butcher@zambia.co.zm">andrew.butcher@zambia.co.zm</a></a>> wrote:<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Hi Guys<br>
>>>><br>
>>>><br>
>>>> I need some help setting up mail server using ubuntu software on server<br>
>>>> 2003<br>
>>>><br>
>>>><br>
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