<span class="gmail_quote"></span> <div><a onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href="mailto:Steven.Miano@mybrighthouse.com" target="_blank">Steven.Miano@mybrighthouse.com</a>:</div> <div> </div> <div> As for LTS, of course LTS is what really matters. However, I think it could be done to have a working skeleton of the program (if we write it from scratch) or even more if we use ebox/webmin by 9.04. 10.04 (Loopy Lynx) will definitely need a program such as one we are dicussing here.</div> <div> </div> <div>With eBox's "bloat": Was that when you installed all modules, or just the defaults? I'm not familiar with it, but I know it is a flexible program.</div> <div> </div> <div>P.S. sorry for emailing only you on accident. Gmail doesn't handle mailing lists intuitively.</div> <div> </div> <div><font color="#5b1094"><a onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href="mailto:neal@bcn.boulder.co.us" target="_blank">neal@bcn.boulder.co.us</a>:</font></div> <div><font color="#5b1094"></font> </div> <div><font color="#5b1094">As far as the X problem you mention, you have a point. However, what about piping the X functions through SSH to a remote machine if you want a GUI? You don't HAVE to install X on the server, right?</font></div> <div><span class="e" id="q_11a5948ea01a6909_1"> <div> </div> <div> </div> <div><br><br> </div> <div><span class="gmail_quote">On 6/5/08, <b class="gmail_sendername">Miano, Steven M.</b> <<a onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href="mailto:Steven.Miano@mybrighthouse.com" target="_blank">Steven.Miano@mybrighthouse.com</a>> wrote:</span> <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid">Just a server admins pov:<br><br>>GUI for administration: There is still the webmin vs. eBox question.I >honestly haven't used eBox, and it's been a while since I tampered with >webmin (I don't have internet at home for my server...) but the opints made >were:<br> >--Webmin can break config files, and is more low level<br>>--eBox is higher level, and has its own configuration files... I forget the >problem with it.<br><br>Webmin:<br><br>Coming from HP-UX, I can honestly say that a GUI is much more appealing to younger system administrators. I've been administrating servers now for about eight years, and would say that a GUI can be both a hindrance and a blessing. I would hope that what ever the end result is that there is an option/switch during the install to go with a CLI environment only, or to optionally add the GUI for those that would prefer/want it.<br> <br>When I initially started working with Ubuntu I was directed towards Webmin on 6.06, and <a onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href="http://6.06.1./" target="_blank">6.06.1.</a> Webmin was a simple tar/gz file that was installed in minutes and easy to access manipulate.<br> <br>Ebox:<br><br>After two years of working on Ubuntu I've given up on Webmin preferring to access my configurations through SSH and hand-jamming if it's needed. Just recently the e-box name kept on sprouting up and curiosity catching the cat had me run: sudo apt-get install ebox. I immediately aborted the install after seeing all of the 64 packages that would be required along side it.<br> <br>I run linux servers so that I know what I have on the system (bloat less), having to install a slew of packages is highly dissuading to a server admin in my opinion.<br><br>>Timeframe: 9.04 seems reasonable. This is almost a year to get a reasonable >beta product out, whether we're making our own or modifying webmin/eBox. >Intrepid is too close, as people are working on the first "point" for Hardy >as well, and there are only 5 months til release.<br> <br>Honestly most of the server/system administrators that I know would not update/upgrade OS's between LTS, so the push for Intrepid Ibis, or even 9.04 seems rushed, for betas, or zero points that would be great - especially for the home users, but directed toward commercial (small/medium), the LTS would really be the deal maker/breaker. In my mind if there is a slip-streamed, small footprint GUI (be it web or app based), the LTS should be the end goal.<br> <br>>One question I have: Is a web interface really the way to go? Will >enterprise users go for having to have a web server to run admin services? >In my personal view, it would be more reasonable to develop a program for >Ubuntu that could have a GUI front made for it. An actual program is more >pro than a web interface.<br> <br>Right now the landscape project through canonical is also a web-based gui for server admins with 5+ servers under their areas of responsibilities and should also be researched for its value as well.<br><br>>Try to input on everything you feel you can contribute to (suggestions, >help, etc.) Thanks.<br> <br>I apologize if I'm pushing filler on the list, but just thought I'd throw my .02 in here for you guys. I'm sure there are many others in my situation with the same paradigm.<br><br>Cheers,<br><br>Steven<br> (MianoSM)<br><br>CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail may contain information that is privileged, confidential or otherwise protected from disclosure. If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail, purge it and do not disseminate or copy it.<br> </blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br></span></div><span class="sg">-- <br>Luke L. </span><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Luke L.