ryan.harper at ubuntu.com
Fri Feb 7 15:52:17 UTC 2014
* Serge Hallyn <serge.hallyn at ubuntu.com> [2014-02-07 09:40]:
> Quoting Ryan Harper (ryan.harper at ubuntu.com):
> > * Serge Hallyn <serge.hallyn at ubuntu.com> [2014-02-06 17:04]:
> > > Quoting Peter Matulis (peter.matulis at canonical.com):
> > > > On 12/10/2013 12:13 PM, Serge Hallyn wrote:
> > > > > Hi,
> > > > >
> > > > > Years ago it was decided that vm-builder would be deprecated in favor
> > > > > of alternatives (cloud images, live-build, and some others). This was
> > > > > dicussed at at least two separate physical UDSes. However, it was
> > > > > never actually dropped from the archive. As a result people kept
> > > > > using it despite it being considered deprecated and no longer
> > > > > maintained. This is resulting in people losing data and time, i.e.
> > > > > https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/vm-builder/+bug/1090223
> > > > >
> > > > > I intend to open a bug to ask that it be removed from the archive
> > > > > for trusty. If anyone objects, please reply here.
> > > >
> > > > What is the state of documentation for 'live-build and some others'? We
> > > > shouldn't assume everyone has been cloudified.
> > >
> > > Pretty poor. I am placing my hopes more on Robie's uvtool package than
> > > live-build. It is what I've been using for projects needing to migrate
> > > from vmbuilder. uvtool should definately gain a server guide section.
> > Definitely. I'd be happy to contribute here. I've been a heavy user of
> > uvtool since I found out about it last fall.
> Hi Ryan,
> I could be wrong but think Robie was going to write a section, so be
> sure to coordinate if so.
> Note that there is one package left which is in heavy use and still
> uses vm-builder:
> I do intend to come up with a patch to convert it to uvtool, however if
> you have time, it sounds like you've used uvtool a lot more than I have,
> so help would be greatly appreciated.
I'll take a look.
> > I saw this back in December, but didn't get a chance to play with it
> > yet.
> > http://libguestfs.org/virt-builder.1.html
> Interestingly, it appears to come down to using virt-install to
> come up with the initial image :)
Hrm, I think I ended up here:
Which appears to do install-from-scratch. Haven't tried this one either.
> smoser has occasionally mentioned another tool - whose name I
> always forget but is as I recall ungoogle-able - which actually
> works by simply booting an install iso and driving the installer.
There have been a number of these. The old kvm-autotest framework had a
tool that would automatically drive user input through qemu monitor
commands (sendkey, mouse_move, mouse_click). Would use screenshots as
install checkpoints, but of course was prone to image corruption.
kvm autotest all use OS methods for unattended install (kickstart,
> That would be a nice complement to uvtool - one exercising our
> published cloud images, and the other our iso installer.
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