Ubuntu Server graphical interface?

[Martin Hess]

It looks like Landscape (http://www.canonical.com/projects/landscape)  
does some things, but it is missing an important requirement:

* Open source

It appears from the way that it is described that you need a support  
contract with Canonical to use it.

I've never used Landscape but it appears that it covers the following  
areas:
1) Package management
2) User management
3) Security updates
4) Repository management
5) System monitoring
6) Integrates with Canonical support system

Obvious major things missing:
7) Service management (starting/stopping/monitoring)
8) Service configuring
	- router
	- dhcp
	- web
	- dns
	- firewall
	- ids - snort
	- ect...
9) Change management
	- track changes
	- control changes
	- rollback changes
10) ?


On May 3, 2008, at 3:45 PM, Leandro Pereira de Lima e Silva wrote:

> Agreed with you. But... isn't that Canonical Landscape?
>
> Cheers, Leandro.
>
> Em Sáb, 2008-05-03 às 15:31 -0700, Martin Hess escreveu:
>> I find people who think in terms of a few servers will at times  
>> find a
>> desktop GUI compelling, but once you move to hundreds or thousands of
>> servers the idea of connecting into a desktop GUI on each machine to
>> administer is beyond ridiculous.
>>
>>
>> I think GUIs are fine but only if they can be used control whole
>> swaths of machines at once i.e. :
>>
>>
>> * upgrade some package on some set of machines
>>
>> * revert to prior package on some set of machines
>>
>> * compare machines for installed package differences
>>
>> * change netfilter policies on some set of machines to refuse or  
>> allow
>> a certain type of traffic
>>
>> * start/stop service on some set of machines
>>
>> * change config file on some set of machines
>>
>> * ect...
>>
>>
>> The list of course is pretty much endless but you get the idea. When
>> you have many machines it is pretty much out of the question to
>> connect to each one and administer it individually by hand, either  
>> buy
>> GUI or shell.
>>
>>
>> I think any server GUI that is consider should be scalable. It should
>> be able to move beyond the needs of one or 2 servers and be able to
>> handle many servers.
>>
>>
>> Proposal:
>>
>>
>> I propose creating requirements for a server GUI and then see if we
>> can find anything that meets it. So far I think I've seen the
>> following:
>>
>>
>> 1) Optional - must not be required for Ubuntu Server
>> 2) Secure - must not have known security issues, must have good known
>> security architecture
>> 3) Scalable - must be able to administer sets of machines (I know
>> there is not necessarily any consensus on this one and people might
>> reject it as a requirement)
>> 4) ?
>>
>>
>> Shameless plug for #3:
>>
>>
>> * gets xwindows off the servers which is a know security risk and
>> resource hog
>> * potentially can require nothing more than sshd and preshared keys  
>> on
>> all the servers
>>
>>
>>
>> On May 3, 2008, at 9:34 AM, Leandro Pereira de Lima e Silva wrote:
>>
>>> I'm talking about virt-install, which will open a VNC connection to
>>> the machine and only allow connections from localhost.
>>>
>>> Cheers, Leandro.
>>>
>>> 2008/5/3 Ante Karamatic <ivoks at grad.hr>:
>>>        On Sat, 3 May 2008 12:15:07 -0300
>>>        "Leandro Pereira de Lima e Silva"
>>>        <leandro at limaesilva.com.br> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I think that is necessary for creating virtual machines
>>>        following
>>>> Ubuntu Server guide, isn't it?
>>>
>>>
>>>        If you are talking about virt-manager, then no. virt-manager
>>>        is a tool
>>>        you'll use on you workstation and manage virtual machines on
>>>        a pool of
>>>        ubuntu servers.
>>>
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