Moving w3m out of standard

[Neal McBurnett]

> .... die hard old school sysadmin

As another proud and hardy sysadmin from a venerable institution :) I
think it is helpful to look at the trends, and accept once again that
"linux server" is a very diverse beast, and getting more so all the
time.  So the  suggestion by Soren et al. that there be more flexibility
in the installation of Ubuntu server makes sense to me.

E.g. I'm told there are Gentoo-based JEOS LAMP server images that are
just 10 GB compressed, via use of busybox etc.  And there are
"development" servers that have lots of nice development tools.  Print
servers can be very different from DNS servers or compute servers.  And
there are those that love GUI interfaces too....

I like the idea of an easy-to-install minimal server platform: JEOS +
basic hardware drivers.  I also resonate with the idea of encouraging
"best practices", thought I think of that as stuff folks are likely to
*want* to be using as well as what they *should* be using (e.g. for
security).  More doucmentation will slowly help there, as well as more
tasksel options and nicely packaged bundles.

It would be good to have more facts at our disposal.  Are there handy
tools around for asking not just how big a package is, but also how much
space it would take to install it and its dependencies on top of some of
the standard seeds?  And I agree that information on history of
vulnerabilities, open ports, etc are very relevant.  I'd love to see
specific information on uninstall bugs that folks have encountered also
- I can see why they might be more common than we'd like, and the best
way to deal with it is to report them....

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Neal McBurnett                 http://mcburnett.org/neal/