(Fwd) alsa-* moved to desktop

[Jim Tarvid]

Good point on a server. The desktop sound system is in total disarray.
We are content to build our servers on the alternative command line
only install but I suspect several server builds are in order (file,
web, gateway...).

But I did try to set up a vls server recently and decided the effort
required exceeded my desire. I still have fantasies of building a
multimedia server.

Jim

On 2/18/08, Neal McBurnett <neal at bcn.boulder.co.us> wrote:
> FYI - this affects ubuntu-server and the virtual builds also.
> The question of why sound stuff was in the jeos system came up often.
> This makes sense offhand to me....
>
> Neal McBurnett                 http://mcburnett.org/neal/
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> I'm moving alsa-base and alsa-utils from the minimal seed to desktop-common
> following a conversation on #ubuntu-devel. I thought the rationale might be
> interesting to copy here for the record.
>
>   <mtaylor> um... why does ubuntu-minimal depend on alsa-base alsa-utils? Do I really need sound on a minimal system?
>   <crimsun_> that point has been raised several times.
>   <mtaylor> ok
>   <mtaylor> any chance there's a ranting web page explaining the choice somewhere?
>   <crimsun_> I don't know offhand.
>   <Nafallo> crimsun_: what's your opinion on that one? :-)
>   <Nafallo> just curious
>   <crimsun_> it should be at most Recommends.
>    * mtaylor thinks that if we think sound is an integral part of the system, there should be an alternate ubuntu-server package one can install ...
>   <Nafallo> yea. of standard :-)
>   <mtaylor> Nafallo++
>   <Nafallo> mtaylor: all servers are diverse and different. so I don't believe in a server seed
>   <mtaylor> Nafallo: I don't really either...
>   <mtaylor> Nafallo: I'm just saying that if minimal is going to stick desktop need in... I would like a server thing that doesn't have them
>   <Nafallo> hehe
>   <cjwatson> mtaylor: the reason we put that stuff in ubuntu-minimal is because alsa-* is needed for stability of hardware detection
>   <mtaylor> cjwatson: wow. really?
>   <cjwatson> mtaylor: all possible server profiles are by design supersets of minimal
>   <cjwatson> we certainly won't be offering anything that's less than that
>   <mtaylor> cjwatson: I would certainly expect them to be supersets of minimal
>   <cjwatson> I would like to see stuff organised such that we didn't need alsa-* in minimal for stability though
>   <mtaylor> I would agree.
>   <mtaylor> I can understand their existence there for that reason - but I would suggest that it's a bug in hardware detection that that is the case
>   <cjwatson> it's not as important as it used to be, actually
>   <cjwatson> it used to be that the installer was two-stage; after installing a minimal system, it rebooted to install everything else, and then dropped you into the final system without rebooting again
>   <cjwatson> so, if stuff like alsa-base that provides /etc/modprobe.d files and alsa-utils that provides udev rules weren't installed in the first pass, your first boot would be different from all the rest
>   <cjwatson> however, in dapper, we finally got the installer reorganised so that it could all operate in a single stage
>   <cjwatson> so I think there is now a case for moving alsa-* to desktop
>   <cjwatson> crimsun_: what do you think?
>   <crimsun_> cjwatson: agreed.
>
> Thanks,
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