[RFC] - Mentoring program
nvalcarcel at ubuntu-pe.org
Sat Feb 9 18:53:35 UTC 2008
I mean to "create" a special sponsoring process for the first uploads to
be done quickly, but only internal process, for the mentee, would be
equal as normal process, the only thing which changes between the normal
process and the process i'm asking for is that in the "new" one the
mentor would ask for some sponsor to upload the package quickly so the
mentee see his change upload soon.
On Fri, 2008-02-08 at 17:59 -0500, Scott Kitterman wrote:
> Top posting fixed. Please don't.
> On Friday 08 February 2008 17:47, Nicolas Valcarcel wrote:
> > On Fri, 2008-02-08 at 17:34 -0500, Scott Kitterman wrote:
> > > On Friday 08 February 2008 17:32, Mathias Gug wrote:
> > > > On Fri, Feb 08, 2008 at 04:46:43PM -0500, Nicolas Valcarcel wrote:
> > > > > On Fri, 2008-02-08 at 12:56 -0500, Scott Kitterman wrote:
> > > > > > I would go a bit further and suggest that while a mentor can help
> > > > > > their mentee get changes sponsored (where this is relevant), they
> > > > > > may not sponsor themselves.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > This enourages integration with the team and avoids putting mentor
> > > > > > in the position of having to say no to ther mentee and potentially
> > > > > > harm that relationship if they are unable to sponsor.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Scott K
> > > > >
> > > > > This idea has a +1 for me, but i want to add some comments about. The
> > > > > new contributors (people who start contributing) most of the time are
> > > > > exited to start helping and they want to start NOW, no after reading
> > > > > the minimal documentation needed, so the mentors should limit
> > > > > themselves on putting goals to their mentees, and show them where to
> > > > > find the documentation about what they are trying to do, not just
> > > > > saying what to do and think for them or do for them. The mentors
> > > > > should just be with the mentees and help them to find his/her way,
> > > > > not to walk with them by the hand.
> > > > >
> > > > > About what Scott mentioned there should also be a policy of the
> > > > > mentors to not sponsors their mentees work, first for the thing he
> > > > > has said, and second because most of the time the mentors help the
> > > > > mentees to make the patches/fixes so they can not recheck they
> > > > > mentees work thinking that he/she has made exactly what they have
> > > > > been told to do and the correct way, so there can be little errors or
> > > > > mischecked changes uploaded.
> > > >
> > > > That raises the point of being reactive at the very beginning. The
> > > > first impression counts. So I'd suggest that the first (and second ?)
> > > > upload should be done by the mentor to get things going. It also
> > > > removes the need to read about the Sponsorship process - understanding
> > > > the whole packaging environment is already complicated.
> > > >
> > > > Once the first upload is done, the mentor should redirect to the
> > > > sponsorship process and the MOTU ressources for further help.
> > >
> > > Sounds reasonable to me.
> > >
> > > Scott K
> > mmm i'm not fully happy with that, maybe we can have a sponsor process
> > inside the metoring program, so other sponsors can upload it quickly, so
> > the mentor helps the mentee fixing the bug, then shows him how to
> > request for sponsorship (subscribing ubuntu-*-sponsors) and then ping
> > another sever team member (and also mentor ?) to upload the package, so
> > the mentees don't ask his mentor every time to upload the package and
> > has his/her change uploaded quickly or get angry when on the 3th upload
> > the mentors says "use sponsorship i won't upload your packages anymore".
> The main point of this is to promote team integration. As soon as you create
> a special sponsor's process, then you defeat that aim.
> Scott K
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