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Hi Guys,</div>
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More a long time lurker here and I used to use studio in the past.</div>
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Wouldnt it be easier to strip everything to bare bones and allow the user to choose what apps to install on first login by popping up the package manager GUI?</div>
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Regards,</div>
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Jonathan</div>
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<div id="divRplyFwdMsg" dir="ltr"><font face="Calibri, sans-serif" style="font-size:11pt" color="#000000"><b>From:</b> ubuntu-studio-devel <ubuntu-studio-devel-bounces@lists.ubuntu.com> on behalf of Erich Eickmeyer <eeickmeyer@ubuntu.com><br>
<b>Sent:</b> 24 March 2022 15:37<br>
<b>To:</b> Steve Langasek <steve.langasek@ubuntu.com>; ubuntu-release@lists.ubuntu.com <ubuntu-release@lists.ubuntu.com>; ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com <ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com>; ubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com <ubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Ubuntu Studio: We're out of space</font>
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<div class="PlainText">On Wednesday, March 23, 2022 11:56:30 PM PDT Steve Langasek wrote:<br>
> On Wed, Mar 23, 2022 at 10:28:06PM -0700, Erich Eickmeyer wrote:<br>
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> If this is all because of the 'OVERSIZED' warning, I've addressed that on<br>
> IRC. The header on <a href="https://link.edgepilot.com/s/070c4eee/miT0hYBUiki9gOpVVoVeiQ?u=https://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntustudio/dvd/current/">
https://link.edgepilot.com/s/070c4eee/miT0hYBUiki9gOpVVoVeiQ?u=https://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntustudio/dvd/current/</a><br>
> explains further:<br>
> <br>
> Warning: This image is oversized (which is a bug) and will not fit onto a<br>
> single-sided single-layer DVD. However, you may still test it using a<br>
> larger USB drive or a virtual machine.<br>
> <br>
> If Ubuntu Studio decide they don't care about the image fitting on a DVD, we<br>
> can simply raise the size limit. But in that case, I don't think we should<br>
> call the image build itself a 'dvd' any more; and I also think that in<br>
> short order (but not necessarily for 22.04) we should stop building this as<br>
> a hybrid image since it's no longer practical to use it on optical media. <br>
> If it's going to only be usable on a USB stick, then let's fix how we build<br>
> it and avoid all the indirection that exists ONLY so that it can be used on<br>
> optical media.<br>
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We have discussed going with the USB stick route. However, what spurred this <br>
is because not only the OVERSIZED warning, but also because the images are <br>
merely copies of the 20220322 image and are not updating upon build. I thought <br>
this was due to the oversize warning. Either way, this is very concerning as <br>
we can't correctly test the builds due to a resolved bug involving automount <br>
conflicting with Calamares.<br>
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> > HOWEVER, and this is why I'm CCing the Release Team and ubuntu-devel@,<br>
> > there is another ISO format that works for DVD: ISO 13346, aka UDF. This<br>
> > allows for a virtually unlimited filesize, although I've seen anecdotal<br>
> > mentions of 1024GB (1TB). This would be preferable, and on behalf of<br>
> > Ubuntu Studio, we request this switch if able, or even an alternative. I<br>
> > realize this is short notice prior to beta,<br>
> <br>
> I've established that it's not actually necessary here, but for the record<br>
> it would be completely impossible to make that switch in time for beta. We<br>
> have never built a UDF-format image, none of the tools are installed on the<br>
> image build server to support this format, we have certainly never done a<br>
> hybrid image with UDF (which means the easiest implementation would be a<br>
> *non*-hybrid image, so if it's not a hybrid image why not just do a USB<br>
> image instead? see above), and various parts of our installer-specific<br>
> initramfs code assumes iso9660.<br>
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Fair. I honestly didn't expect that, but it was a thought.<br>
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> > It seems that Ubuntu Kylin shares our plight.<br>
> <br>
> The only shared plight is that both flavors currently have images that are<br>
> oversized for the limits that have been declared in the code...<br>
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Again, fair.<br>
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-- <br>
Erich Eickmeyer<br>
Project Leader - Ubuntu Studio<br>
Member - Ubuntu Community Council</div>
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