Debian release date and Debian Import Freeze

[Michael Hudson-Doyle]

On Thu, 1 Jun 2023 at 07:54, Steve Langasek <steve.langasek at ubuntu.com>
wrote:

> On Wed, May 31, 2023 at 01:14:27PM +1200, Michael Hudson-Doyle wrote:
> > On Sat, 27 May 2023 at 04:16, Steve Langasek <steve.langasek at ubuntu.com>
> > wrote:
>
> > > Thanks for raising this valid concern.
>
> > > On Thu, May 25, 2023 at 12:47:23PM +1200, Michael Hudson-Doyle wrote:
> > > > Debian bookworm is scheduled to be released on June 10. Debian Import
> > > > Freeze is currently scheduled for about six weeks later, on August
> 17. Do
> > > > we want to shut off debian imports early, basically as soon as
> bookworm
> > > > releases, to avoid having all our work overwhelmed by a bunch of
> > > > transitions in Debian?
>
> > > In addition to the counterpoints raised by Jeremy and Seb, I'd point
> out
> > > that moving up the Debian import freeze would also be an obstacle to
> > > landing
> > > the 64-bit time_t migration this cycle, which I think we definitely
> want to
> > > do in 23.10, not in 24.04.
>
> > Ah we are going to try that for 24.04 are we? Somehow I had the feeling
> we
> > were going to be more cautious. But I think it's probably a good idea to
> > get it over with.
>
> Well, the longer we spend on it, the more time we're going to have to spend
> re-analyzing libraries in the archive to identify ABI breaks as things
> drift.  And my proposal in Debian has been to kick this off when trixie
> opens.  So I do think it's better for us to move forward.
>

Fair enough.


> We definitely don't want our dpkg-buildflags to differ from Debian's on
> this
> for any significant amount of time.
>

Yes that would be pain.


> > Do you think the necessary people are convinced on the Debian side to
> land
> > this early in trixie or is there still more arguing to be done there?
>
> We still don't have a definitive agreement on what to do with i386,


No kidding.


> but I
> think that will shake out once we have a dpkg-buildflags implementation to
> discuss.
>

 Fair enough. Having conversations somewhere other than meandering
debian-devel threads is probably the way forward!

Cheers,
mwh
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