<html> <head> <meta content="text/html; charset=UTF-8" http-equiv="Content-Type"> </head> <body text="#000000" bgcolor="#FFFFFF"> <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 10/24/2013 04:03 PM, Colin Law wrote: </div> <blockquote cite="mid:CAL=0gLvARUOJCJRUyodjx_cyqDPpsMu-tBRLjqWxuydoqmKRgg@mail.gmail.com" type="cite"> <pre wrap="">On 24 October 2013 18:05, chris hermansen <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:clhermansen@gmail.com"><clhermansen@gmail.com></a> wrote: </pre> <blockquote type="cite"> <pre wrap="">William, I am with you. But still "remove windows" leaves the would-be ubuntu user to think that there may be a way to put it back later... </pre> </blockquote> <pre wrap=""> It is some time since I did an install like that, but does it not warn with a message "Warning this will delete all files on the disk" or something similar before it starts the install? Colin</pre> </blockquote> Colin, Look at the screen shot part way down this post, it clearly states: Warning: this will delete all your programs, documents, photos, music, and other files in both Windows 7 and Ubuntu 12.04. <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://amjjawad.blogspot.com/2013/10/ubiquity-and-installing-ubuntu-and-its.html">http://amjjawad.blogspot.com/2013/10/ubiquity-and-installing-ubuntu-and-its.html</a> That seems pretty clear to me. Although since this is in fact happening, the suggestion made in the linked blog post should likely be implemented, but there should probably first also be an extra pop-up warning when people select this option. If they don't heed the warning the first time when they make their selection, oops. If they don't heed a second pop up warning, shame on them. But if they are so bad with computers that they still really truly don't understand what's happening, I agree with the blog post that they should be directed to a youtube video explaining everything. We now live in an era where people who have absolutely no idea what they are doing with computers on a technical level want to install Linux. I call that a good thing and we should give them all the direction they need. The history of MS Windows is laden with repetitive "are you sure" "are you sure you're sure" dialogs because apparently a lot of people actually need that. Perhaps the obviousness of the warning as it stands is something people like us take for granted because we are computer inclined and everyone else really is that... dense for lack of a better word. I suppose we need to help the masses on board by whatever means. <blockquote cite="mid:CAL=0gLvARUOJCJRUyodjx_cyqDPpsMu-tBRLjqWxuydoqmKRgg@mail.gmail.com" type="cite"> <pre wrap=""> </pre> <blockquote type="cite"> <pre wrap=""> Perhaps "remove windows and all your files completely - they cannot be recovered except possibly from whatever backup you have" would be better. On 2013-10-24 8:41 AM, "William" <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:wjckc79@gmail.com"><wjckc79@gmail.com></a> wrote: </pre> <blockquote type="cite"> <pre wrap=""> On 10/24/2013 09:05 AM, Ali Linx (amjjawad) wrote: On Thu, Oct 24, 2013 at 5:54 PM, Ali Linx (amjjawad) <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:amjjawad@gmail.com"><amjjawad@gmail.com></a> wrote: </pre> <blockquote type="cite"> <pre wrap=""> On Thu, Oct 24, 2013 at 5:44 PM, Nio Wiklund <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:nio.wiklund@gmail.com"><nio.wiklund@gmail.com></a> wrote: </pre> <blockquote type="cite"> <pre wrap=""> On 2013-10-24 15:31, Ali Linx (amjjawad) wrote: </pre> <blockquote type="cite"> <pre wrap=""> On Thu, Oct 24, 2013 at 5:26 PM, Nio Wiklund <<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:nio.wiklund@gmail.com">nio.wiklund@gmail.com</a> <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:nio.wiklund@gmail.com"><mailto:nio.wiklund@gmail.com></a>> wrote: Hi everybody, Today, there is another person, who misunderstood the partitioning dialogue of the desktop installer. <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2183287">http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2183287</a> 'When I went to install 13.10 I chose the option to remove windows and replace with Ubuntu. I had two partitions when I chose this. One with files I wanted to keep and the other being the windows 7 partition. When I chose to remove windows I assumed it would be placed on my C drive and not my other one. But what actually ended up happening was all my partitions merged into one deleting everything. Now I only have Ubuntu on my drive. I need help retrieving my files please!' -o- This is what I have been telling, when describing the One Button Installer '... Case 1: Tool that is easy to use and just works The normal linux installers that come with iso files are complicated to use or freeze during the installation process, and you want a tool that is easier to use and just works. ... a. The Desktop Installer is flexible and looks nice, and is generally easy to understand, but the partitioning page can make people confused. There are several threads at the Ubuntu Forums describing installations, where a previous system has been overwritten by mistake. ...' It is really too bad, and something that should be improved in 14.04 Best regards Nio Hi, All that can be solved in one two 'very' simple steps: 1- Create a YouTube Video that explains in details HOWTO Install Ubuntu with all the possible cases 2- Add a link for that YouTube Video right next to the Download Link so those who download Ubuntu or any flavour can 'watch' and 'learn' how to install the system Time is money and saving time is a very important factor in just 6 months cycle :) Just a very quick thought! -- Remember: "All of us are smarter than any one of us." Best Regards, amjjawad <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="https://wiki.ubuntu.com/amjjawad"><https://wiki.ubuntu.com/amjjawad></a> Areas of Involvement <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="https://wiki.ubuntu.com/amjjawad/AreasOfInvolvement"><https://wiki.ubuntu.com/amjjawad/AreasOfInvolvement></a> My Projects <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="https://wiki.ubuntu.com/amjjawad/Projects"><https://wiki.ubuntu.com/amjjawad/Projects></a> </pre> </blockquote> <pre wrap=""> 1. I do think it is important to improve the text in the installer itself </pre> </blockquote> <pre wrap=""> Any suggestions? for someone who failed to backup his/her important data before actually wiping his/her HDD, I'd only think he/she will not even bother to read any text :) </pre> <blockquote type="cite"> <pre wrap=""> because those who might need the video might not play it. </pre> </blockquote> <pre wrap=""> As I mentioned, the Link of that HOWTO Video must be posted right next to the Download Link with a Note: "Please, see/watch this video BEFORE you install the system" :) Those who fail to 'read' any improved text or watch the video, can blame no one but themselves. Backing up is the very first step. This must be mentioned clearly next to each and every download link, IMHO :) </pre> <blockquote type="cite"> <pre wrap=""> 2. I wrote that it should be improved in 14.04, which is an LTS version, so more than 6 months are involved. Best regards Nio </pre> </blockquote> <pre wrap=""> Well, this is not for me to decide. This will go into so many discussions and will take time. Why NOT save the time and just go for the easiest solution rather than changing the whole thing just because 'some' users who can't read nor backup their data? But YES, I am WITH any improvement that makes life easier. However, time is the real challenge that we do have. While 6 months may look enough for that, IMHO, each minute should be carefully considered :) that is just me though! Thanks! </pre> </blockquote> <pre wrap=""> Thanks a lot, Nio :D You have reminded me to add a very important note that I forgot to add!!! <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGNOME/GetUbuntuGNOME">https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGNOME/GetUbuntuGNOME</a> <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://ubuntugnome.org/download">http://ubuntugnome.org/download</a> Once my voice is back to normal (when this ugly flu leaves me alone), I might create a Video and Adding it to our Area on Ubuntu GNOME Website and Wiki Page :) Highly appreciate the inspiration :D -- Remember: "All of us are smarter than any one of us." Best Regards, amjjawad Areas of Involvement My Projects While I have nothing but the greatest of heartbreaking sympathy for people who wipe their Windows partition by mistake in this manner, I truly cannot fathom what they are failing to interpret in the option "remove windows". The existence of the option to install side-by-side should make the meaning of "remove windows" even more completely obvious than it already is. But still, even if the side-by-side option were not present... One can only be hand-held so much, but I am starting to think that when the "remove windows" option is selected, 3 maybe even 4, impossible to misinterpret dialogue boxes should follow. Advising someone on the last one to stop right there if they still don't understand while referring them to online documentation. -- Ubuntu-quality mailing list <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:Ubuntu-quality@lists.ubuntu.com">Ubuntu-quality@lists.ubuntu.com</a> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-quality">https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-quality</a> </pre> </blockquote> <pre wrap=""> -- Ubuntu-quality mailing list <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:Ubuntu-quality@lists.ubuntu.com">Ubuntu-quality@lists.ubuntu.com</a> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-quality">https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-quality</a> </pre> </blockquote> </blockquote> </body> </html>