Raring Cycle Feedback and vUDS blueprint planning

Nicholas Skaggs nicholas.skaggs at canonical.com
Wed May 1 15:54:32 UTC 2013

Scott is correct here. If your using ppa's, it's important to rule them out
so to say as the potential reason for the bug. For example, if unity is
blowing up while your using the xorg-edgers ppa, it might be that new
version of mesa your using, rather than unity itself, that is causing
issues. If you encountered this scenario with running the development
version of ubuntu, apport would correctly remind you your using
non-official packages and if possible, you should try recreating the issue
on a "virgin" ubuntu installation in order to determine if it's a bug.

PPA's are great fun, and if your using them for testing, that's great too.
But we don't want to confuse any issues found in an unofficial version of a
package with what's in the archive. The article you linked mentions how to
do apport hooks, which allows a developer to use apport for there ppa
packages if they so choose. When we do calls for testing, bug reporting
instructions are critical -- some developers take advantage of the hooks,
for others we use bug tags. Having a standardized way of doing this
couldn't hurt, but our concern is focused on the context of testing.
Specifically I'm focused to ensure you can report bugs during a call for
testing and do so as easily as possible, while ensuring the developer can
filter and see the bugs you file and keep his development workflow intact.
Make sense? Have you found the different means of reporting bugs during
calls for testing difficult?

On Wed, May 1, 2013 at 2:41 AM, Scott Kitterman <ubuntu at kitterman.com>wrote:

> Siddhanathan Shanmugam <siddhanathan at gmail.com> wrote:
> >A little feedback for improving the testing experience.
> >
> >Apport currently doesn't allow for automated crash reporting on
> >unofficial
> >packages delivered through a PPA. Jason
> >DeRose<https://plus.google.com/u/0/114471118004229223857> has
> >a good article on a workaround for this: *How to use Apport in your
> >daily
> >PPA
> >builds*<
> http://jderose.blogspot.in/2012/09/how-to-use-apport-in-your-daily-ppa.html
> >.
> >There should be some way for testers and developers to override this
> >default behavior. A lot of time was wasted in testing where Apport
> >simply
> >collects all the necessary details and then later decides that it can't
> >file the bug report because of unofficial packages.
> We definitely don't want bugs against Ubuntu packages that come from PPA
> packages.  The first problem you have to solve is the lack of any place to
> fike bugs against PPA packages, apport created or not.
> Scott K
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