Proposal to merge #ubuntu-quality and #ubuntu-bugs

[Charlie Kravetz]

On Thu, 3 Jan 2013 21:08:44 +0500
Omer Akram <om26er at ubuntu.com> wrote:

> I would say that then the word ubuntu-quality is a bit too broad than its
> actual purpose, i should have researched more but i did think they were not
> limited to ISO testing only. As you stated that's not the case then its a
> bit of misunderstanding about #ubuntu-quality on my end.
> 
> 
> On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 9:01 PM, Thomas Ward <teward at ubuntu.com> wrote:
> 
> > On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 9:40 AM, Micah Gersten <micahg at ubuntu.com> wrote:
> > > On 01/03/2013 07:14 AM, Omer Akram wrote:
> > >> Hi All
> > >>
> > >> Just recently there started a discussion on Ubuntu bug squad list
> > >> about less people getting involved in bug triage along the discussion
> > >> there were a few points raised which let me to put the idea of merging
> > >> #ubuntu-quality and #ubuntu-bugs into one. Ultimately both have the
> > >> same goal that is talking about quality in Ubuntu.
> > >>
> > >> At time people testing Ubuntu ISO will raise their bugs in
> > >> #ubuntu-quality and discussions may take place there. People may or
> > >> may not be available in both channels but since I believe people do
> > >> talk mostly about bug reports in those channels (though
> > >> #ubuntu-quality do have other topics as well) but I think merging them
> > >> will make a few things easier one will be that there will be mostly a
> > >> unified place for people to talk about bugs (i know people may talk in
> > >> #ubuntu+1 or #ubuntu-desktop as well but those channels have their own
> > >> reasons for exisitance)
> > >>
> > >> Here I might not have a lot of point to argue plus I am never great
> > >> with words but the overall notion is that I believe that it will
> > >> result in a benefit for Ubuntu due to having a concentrated place to
> > >> talk bugs.
> > >>
> > >> Thoughts/Suggestions/Pros/Cons all welcome and appreciated
> > >>
> > >> Thanks!
> > >>
> > > I'm not sure I agree with this.  #ubuntu-bugs is specifically for bug
> > > triage, whereas #ubuntu-quality seems to not have a defined topic.
> > > Whereas I'm likely to watch #ubuntu-bugs for people who need help with
> > > triage, I'm not necessarily interested in most of what happens with
> > > image testing and the issues that arise from it.  This is not to say
> > > that I don't care, rather that I'm not necessarily going to commit my
> > > time to such issues.
> > > You could in theory condense #ubuntu-devel, -desktop, and -release into
> > > quality as well as the goal is quality, but I don't see that as being
> > > productive.
> > > Thanks,
> > > Micah
> > >
> > > --
> > > Ubuntu-bugsquad mailing list
> > > Ubuntu-bugsquad at lists.ubuntu.com
> > > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugsquad
> >
> > I am in full agreement with Micah, what #ubuntu-quality does is ISO
> > testing and other ISO/image related testing, and not necessarily bug
> > triage.  I lurk in both #ubuntu-bugs and #ubuntu-quality.  The
> > channels have separate goals.  And in #ubuntu-bugs, I'm also more than
> > happy to help out with bug triaging, but I don't want to see ISO
> > testing bugs and related stuff in #ubuntu-bugs either.
> >
> > Since not everyone's responding to both the BugSquad and
> > ubuntu-quality lists, I've sent this response to both.
> >
> > ------
> > Thomas
> > Ubuntu BugSquad Member
> >
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> > Ubuntu-bugsquad at lists.ubuntu.com
> > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugsquad
> >

I was against the name change for testing to quality when it happened,
and I still believe the main results is confusion. quality in most
places is short for "quality assurance" or "quality control". Neither
applies to ubuntu testing alone. However, in Ubuntu, ubuntu-quality is
simply a new name for testing. It is not a name to cover all quality of
the product.

With this definition in mind, to combine both quality and bug-triage
would be wrong, since triage and testing do not mean the same things.
Until Canonical decides once again that Quality means more than testing
a product, this can not happen.

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