Issues with Natty .

rahul hada hada.rahul at gmail.com
Sat Mar 19 18:21:56 UTC 2011


Dear All,
I am new in the mailing list and also new in QA , could you please provide
me some guidance.

Happy Learning!

Rahul Hada
India


On Sat, Mar 19, 2011 at 8:35 AM, Himanshu - Gmail <nealloveisblind at gmail.com
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> >    1. Re: Newbie questions (Ronald McCollam)
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> >    3. Re: Newbie questions (Joseph Areeda)
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> > Message: 1
> > Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 08:53:01 -0400
> > From: Ronald McCollam <ronald.mccollam at canonical.com>
> > To: Joseph Areeda <newsreply at areeda.com>
> > Cc: ubuntu-qa at lists.ubuntu.com
> > Subject: Re: Newbie questions
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> > On Fri, 2011-03-11 at 07:06 -0800, Joseph Areeda wrote:
> >> Greetings,
> > Howdy! :)
> >
> >> I'm just getting used to all the changes in the UI in Natty.  I'm using
> >> zsync to update the daily iso.  Is it necessary [or helpful] to wipe and
> >> reinstall the iso every day?  I guess since I'm having install issues, I
> >> should, but it's a bit of a process.
> > Do you mean wipe the [virtual] machine that you tested the install on?
> > If so, not really -- the install process should do that for you as long
> > as you select 'erase and use the entire disk' during install.
> >
> > If you mean should you delete the ISO file before running zsync,
> > definitely not.  zsync will use the file you have and download only the
> > parts that have changed, so you'll download much much less data (and it
> > will go faster).  If you delete the ISO first, zsync will have to grab
> > the entire thing.
> >
> > zsync performs tests to be sure you have the correct bits, but you can
> > always check yourself as well.  Use 'md5sum' and the published md5sums
> > on cdimage.ubuntu.com in the same directory as the ISO.
> >
> >> Once I install an iso, should I do apt-get upgrade or work with the
> >> packages on the CD?
> > That depends a bit on what you're testing.  If you're testing a
> > particular image (ISO testing) you want to stick with what was installed
> > from the CD.  If you're doing general testing, you can do either -- but
> > if you find a bug you'll want to upgrade anyway to make sure it hasn't
> > been fixed since the image was created.
> >
> >> What about reporting problems that show up in the logs but not in the
> >> UI?  Are those worth emails to this list?  For example, I'm having
> >> trouble with the Update Center so I have to run it from the command line
> >> with LD_PRELOAD and in the window I see "software-center.apt.aptcache -
> >> WARNING - broken packages encountered while getting deps for
> daily-journal"
> > The deps issue is *probably* just an indication that some packages
> > haven't been fully updated in the repository.  I wouldn't worry about it
> > unless it persists.
> >
> > Why are you having to run Update Manager with LD_PRELOAD?  That one does
> > sound like a bug, but it may be a known one (I haven't checked).
> >
> >> As the new guy, I'm a little shy about filing bug reports until I can
> >> figure out if it's me or Natty.  Is it better to ask or file bugs that
> >> turn out to be my inexperience?
> > When in doubt, file the bug. :)  It's better to catch things as early as
> > possible, and if it turns out to not be a bug it's generally pretty
> > quick to tell and close it out.  Just be sure to search in launchpad
> > before filing a bug to make sure it's not already there. :)
> >
> >> I have a lot more questions like these but let's see if this email makes
> >> it to the list.
> > Got it here!  Thanks for helping!
> >
> >  - rm
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 2
> > Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 21:14:01 +0600
> > From: Auny kamal <auny.kamal at gmail.com>
> > To: ubuntu-qa at lists.ubuntu.com
> > Subject: Re: Ubuntu-qa Digest, Vol 41, Issue 17
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> > hi all i am onik
> >
> > On 18/03/2011, ubuntu-qa-request at lists.ubuntu.com
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> >>    1. Hi Everybody (Jesus)
> >>    2. Re: Hi Everybody (Sina)
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> >> Message: 1
> >> Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 21:28:44 -0600
> >> From: Jesus <jesus.mtz.vz at gmail.com>
> >> To: Quality Assurance <ubuntu-qa at lists.ubuntu.com>
> >> Subject: Hi Everybody
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> >>
> >> Hi everybody,
> >>
> >>    My name is Jesus and a few years ago I start using Ubuntu and since
> >> then I've been trying to collaborate, but maybe I didn't try too hard
> >> until now. What I'm expect is help in some way and retrieve some of what
> >> I receive from Ubuntu collaborators and volunteers.
> >>
> >>    Finally what I want mostly is learn as much as I can and I really
> >> hope that I can be helpful in some way or another.
> >>
> >> Best Regards
> >>
> >> Jesus
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> ------------------------------
> >>
> >> Message: 2
> >> Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 10:28:50 +0330
> >> From: Sina <sina.sabbagh at gmail.com>
> >> To: ubuntu-qa at lists.ubuntu.com
> >> Subject: Re: Hi Everybody
> >> Message-ID: <4D8302AA.7090003 at gmail.com>
> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
> >>
> >> On 03/18/2011 06:58 AM, Jesus wrote:
> >>> Hi everybody,
> >>>
> >>>    My name is Jesus and a few years ago I start using Ubuntu and since
> >>> then I've been trying to collaborate, but maybe I didn't try too hard
> >>> until now. What I'm expect is help in some way and retrieve some of
> what
> >>> I receive from Ubuntu collaborators and volunteers.
> >>>
> >>>    Finally what I want mostly is learn as much as I can and I really
> >>> hope that I can be helpful in some way or another.
> >>>
> >>> Best Regards
> >>>
> >>> Jesus
> >>>
> >> Hi Jesus,
> >> Welcome to the community.
> >>
> >> Sina
> >>
> >>
> >>
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> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 3
> > Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 12:49:15 -0700
> > From: Joseph Areeda <newsreply at areeda.com>
> > To: ubuntu-qa at lists.ubuntu.com
> > Subject: Re: Newbie questions
> > Message-ID: <4D83B73B.4080904 at areeda.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
> >
> > Thank you for the discussion Ronald.  I've been experimenting with natty
> > and gaining confidence in a VM with a little dabbling on a new system.
> > I've been working with CUDA apps on Maverick so I will probably
> > participate in the nVidia installation tests
> >
> > If I understand the gist of your comments I'd say:
> >
> > There are so many things to test that using Natty anyway I can is
> > helpful to some extent.  To test the installation uses the live CD, to
> > test the packages update regularly, to test the hardware drivers use
> > real hardware.
> >
> > Is that close?
> >
> > Some of my questions weren't clear but your discussion was useful.  My
> > first question would have been better phrased "Should I start with a
> > live CD install every time?".  And the answer is yes, if I'm testing
> > installation procedures.
> >
> > Your question:
> >> Why are you having to run Update Manager with LD_PRELOAD?  That one does
> >> sound like a bug, but it may be a known one (I haven't checked).
> > Yes it is a known bug, that's how I got the work around.  Seems to be
> > fixed now, it had to with the order libraries were loaded.
> >
> > I've also been trying to get started with the Bug squad and now have a
> > better feel for when to report something as a bug.  I still like to get
> > a crash report request or see it twice before I do but I'm less shy
> > about filing an operator error as a bug.
> >
> > As a newb in qa and bug squad (not development or unix) I have to say my
> > biggest frustration is the proper answer to "where do I start?",  "what
> > do I do now?"  seems to always be "start anywhere you want and do
> > anything you want".  Not knowing what I want yet makes that weird.
> >
> > I'm keeping notes with a wiki page in mind for the new guy.  Like so
> > much in this business things things seem incomprehensible and
> > overwhelming one minute then trivial and obvious the next.  That makes
> > it real hard for those of you who know what you're doing to communicate
> > to those of us who haven't had that AHA moment.
> >
> > You've been a big help.
> >
> > Thanks!
> > Joe
> >
> > On 03/18/2011 05:53 AM, Ronald McCollam wrote:
> >> On Fri, 2011-03-11 at 07:06 -0800, Joseph Areeda wrote:
> >>> Greetings,
> >> Howdy! :)
> >>
> >>> I'm just getting used to all the changes in the UI in Natty.  I'm using
> >>> zsync to update the daily iso.  Is it necessary [or helpful] to wipe
> and
> >>> reinstall the iso every day?  I guess since I'm having install issues,
> I
> >>> should, but it's a bit of a process.
> >> Do you mean wipe the [virtual] machine that you tested the install on?
> >> If so, not really -- the install process should do that for you as long
> >> as you select 'erase and use the entire disk' during install.
> >>
> >> If you mean should you delete the ISO file before running zsync,
> >> definitely not.  zsync will use the file you have and download only the
> >> parts that have changed, so you'll download much much less data (and it
> >> will go faster).  If you delete the ISO first, zsync will have to grab
> >> the entire thing.
> >>
> >> zsync performs tests to be sure you have the correct bits, but you can
> >> always check yourself as well.  Use 'md5sum' and the published md5sums
> >> on cdimage.ubuntu.com in the same directory as the ISO.
> >>
> >>> Once I install an iso, should I do apt-get upgrade or work with the
> >>> packages on the CD?
> >> That depends a bit on what you're testing.  If you're testing a
> >> particular image (ISO testing) you want to stick with what was installed
> >> from the CD.  If you're doing general testing, you can do either -- but
> >> if you find a bug you'll want to upgrade anyway to make sure it hasn't
> >> been fixed since the image was created.
> >>
> >>> What about reporting problems that show up in the logs but not in the
> >>> UI?  Are those worth emails to this list?  For example, I'm having
> >>> trouble with the Update Center so I have to run it from the command
> line
> >>> with LD_PRELOAD and in the window I see "software-center.apt.aptcache -
> >>> WARNING - broken packages encountered while getting deps for
> daily-journal"
> >> The deps issue is *probably* just an indication that some packages
> >> haven't been fully updated in the repository.  I wouldn't worry about it
> >> unless it persists.
> >>
> >> Why are you having to run Update Manager with LD_PRELOAD?  That one does
> >> sound like a bug, but it may be a known one (I haven't checked).
> >>
> >>> As the new guy, I'm a little shy about filing bug reports until I can
> >>> figure out if it's me or Natty.  Is it better to ask or file bugs that
> >>> turn out to be my inexperience?
> >> When in doubt, file the bug. :)  It's better to catch things as early as
> >> possible, and if it turns out to not be a bug it's generally pretty
> >> quick to tell and close it out.  Just be sure to search in launchpad
> >> before filing a bug to make sure it's not already there. :)
> >>
> >>> I have a lot more questions like these but let's see if this email
> makes
> >>> it to the list.
> >> Got it here!  Thanks for helping!
> >>
> >>   - rm
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 4
> > Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 17:48:51 -0400
> > From: Jeff Lane <jeffrey.lane at canonical.com>
> > To: ubuntu-qa at lists.ubuntu.com
> > Subject: Re: Newbie questions
> > Message-ID: <4D83D343.9070001 at canonical.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
> >
> > On 03/18/2011 03:49 PM, Joseph Areeda wrote:
> >> There are so many things to test that using Natty anyway I can is
> >> helpful to some extent. To test the installation uses the live CD, to
> >> test the packages update regularly, to test the hardware drivers use
> >> real hardware.
> >>
> >> Is that close?
> > Yep...
> >
> > Also keep in mind that the BIG thing for natty that needs a LOT of
> > testing and bug filing is Unity... Natty itself isn't too much of a
> > departure from Maverick in general terms, but Unity is the BIG thing for
> > Natty and it needs a lot of testing.
> >
> > The second biggest thing is uTouch, but that only works if you have
> > touch devices... I still need to buy a MagicTrackpad to do some touch
> > testing with... but a touch screen netbook or a tablet would be even
> > better :)
> >
> > Unfortunately, to use Unity, you need 3d, so that means either running
> > on bare metal that supports it or running on a VM that includes that
> > support (VirtualBox doesn't without addon stuffs, so getting Unity in a
> > VBox VM requires some extra work).
> >
> > But yeah, you got it figured out ;-)
> >
> >> Some of my questions weren't clear but your discussion was useful. My
> >> first question would have been better phrased "Should I start with a
> >> live CD install every time?". And the answer is yes, if I'm testing
> >> installation procedures.
> > Yep...
> >
> > Consider this... I do installer testing in VMs and I maintain a local
> > mirror of cdimages.ubuntu.com for doing so.
> >
> > I run Natty on a netbook (Lenovo S-10) and on a Laptop (Thinkpad x201)
> > and keep those up to date with package updates (except when I'm doing
> > something special like my recent Lucid -> Maverick -> Natty upgrade
> > test).  But that's my setup, and I'm weird like that :-)
> >
> >> As a newb in qa and bug squad (not development or unix) I have to say my
> >> biggest frustration is the proper answer to "where do I start?", "what
> >> do I do now?" seems to always be "start anywhere you want and do
> >> anything you want". Not knowing what I want yet makes that weird.
> > Unfortunately, that is the correct answer.  Perhaps there's a better way
> > to address it, but it is what it is... the things I did when I first
> > started mucking about with Linux are certainly not the things you're
> > going to want to do (that was back when you had to compile most drivers
> > on your own, compile your own kernels for everything, and use keyboards
> > carved out of stone using primitive tools).
> >
> > But just go where your interest lies... if you enjoy fixing bugs or
> > writing code, learn to use Launchpad and Bazaar and start contributing
> code.
> >
> > If you like working with bugs in general, triaging and even testing and
> > filing bugs is a great way to start.
> >
> > ISO test days are always pretty fun if you enjoy doing test cases and
> > trying to break things.
> >
> > And that's just three examples from a QA point of view... You could also
> > help writing translation strings if you speak other languages and want
> > to help make sure Ubuntu is translated properly.  I only mention that
> > one because it recently became a little more important to me by
> > happenstance...
> >
> >> I'm keeping notes with a wiki page in mind for the new guy. Like so much
> >> in this business things things seem incomprehensible and overwhelming
> >> one minute then trivial and obvious the next. That makes it real hard
> >> for those of you who know what you're doing to communicate to those of
> >> us who haven't had that AHA moment.
> > That's cool... but be sure you check around the wiki first as a lot of
> > info may already exist (however, centralizing wiki information is always
> > a good idea, IMO, and I really am NOT a fan of wikis in general).
> > Speaking of which, writing and editing things on the wiki is yet another
> > way to help out if editing and writing is your cup of tea...
> >
> > Welcome to the party!
> >
> > Cheers
> > Jeff
> >
> Hello everyone,
>
> I am Himanshu from India.
> I have gone through whole natty configuration and files.I figured out
> some of the similarities between the bug of UI actually... Remember the
> bug that 10.10 was having.? Users were getting the problem with some of
> onboard cards (can be not sure ) that whenever they login to Ubuntu they
> get the are dropped into text console instead. I don't know whether that
> issue is still resolved or its open..... So i think the issue is that only.
>
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