Is this mailing list defunct?

[Sebastian Rösgen]

Hi,

bug733349 (Minimize Application's Windows upon clicking its Launcher 
Icon) has a nice fix, written by a concerned user of Ubuntu.
Have a look at the bug entry on launchpad: 
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ayatana-design/+bug/733349

So it would be nice to finally see it somehow integrated in Ubuntu, 
especially as there is already a possible patch, which needs only to be 
applied.

Furthermore, the "movement of the launcher" issue (bug 668415) could be 
addressed. I recently read the the main developer of the launcher would 
prefer to the the launcher more configurable himself. So perhaps 
somebody could ask him how this could be achieved.

Now that oneiric will be out soon the idea of a configuration option for 
unity is back hope.
Is there somebody who can/could write a panel for the gnome3 control 
center? Some of the options one can find in ubuntu tweak could be put in 
there.
1) hide/reveal mode
2) icon size of the launcher
3) an easy way to assign hot corner actions  (like in Simple CCSM)

These possibility we all have in CCSM, I know that. But it would be nice 
to have a separate tool. CCSM has way to many options and some users 
will be strongly tempted to play around with all these possibilities and 
thus crash their compiz (if things go bad).
So it would be better to restrict these options and put them directly 
into the "control center".

The best and easiest way would be to integrate ubuntu tweak's "Compiz 
Setting", "Nautilus Settings and "Window Manager Settings" plug-ins into 
the control center (if that is possible).


Perhaps later on there could be an easy way to write static QuickLists 
for the launcher? I hope that in Ubuntu Next (12.04) they will finally 
have solved the problem with nautilus' dynamic QuickLists. I really want 
my bookmarks to appear in the QuickLists entry of the home icon. But, in 
addition, it would be really nice to have an easy way to create new 
static lists, without opening an editor and copying files around. 
Especially if, sometimes, you have to search for the place in which you 
want to copy this files; and especially if you have to search for the 
right file to overwrite/edit.

So this would be point 4) "QuickLists"

These would be the things that interest me the most. So I am waiting for 
some other people to comment on this and perhaps criticize my or 
contribute their own ideas.


And finally: I would very much like to hear (or read) some lines written 
by Jono Bacon on this list. Some encouragement would be ... good. I can 
understand that this list fell silent over the course of time.
Here, people are discussing ideas  and they want these ideas to somehow 
get into Ubuntu. But you do not read any reply by some official Ubuntu 
developer or Canonical employee. So where is the encouragement? If you 
(Canonical) really want a power user community then do something for it. 
Show the people who were participating on this list initially, that 
their contributions are worth something and are appreciated. And I do 
not simply mean to shout "bravo" or call an idea "great" or "wonderful". 
Anybody can do this."Great" and "wonderful" are just adjectives. To show 
that you like an idea or appreciate it, you have to participate in the 
process which makes this idea come true. Help and participate in the 
discussions that surround these ideas. Do not just say "we want a power 
user community" and in the moment when this community is created you 
simply disappear. This is crap. This is not the way how it should work. 
I really thought this project could raise some questions. I really 
thought that those two launchpad error reports which have 114 and 
respectively 118 "affects me" voters could perhaps be re-evaluated. But 
instead it is just confirmed what I thought: seemingly community is a 
term which is just used by Canonical but not really appreciated.
The fact that one tried to create such a community is baffling. It show 
that somehow it is seeminlgy recognized that Ubuntu has moved away from 
the power users. That it is now designed just for the average users.
And by the way: it is not even for the normal users. My brother is a 
physician. He deals with anatomy and physiology but not with computers 
and code. But though he would thus fall into the category of average 
users he lately said that the minimize/maximize behaviour of the 
launcher is utter crap. Especially when he wanted to use the unity 
desktop with empathy (contact list and chat window opened), with 
LibreOffice writer, with Thunderbird and two firefox windows (each of 
them with many tabs opened) all opened he went mad. He is actually not 
part of that group of users which are focussed by the power user group 
but still has issues with unity. He went back to windows, though he used 
ubuntu since version 9.10.. I, myself, use Ubuntu since version 6.10. I 
too am, supposedly not the normal power user, for I cannot program very 
well: I am a classical philologist and thus only use my computer as a 
working device. Still, I want to configure some aspects of my desktop; I 
want to personalize my desktop, for I am a person not a cardboard 
cutout. And this means I want not only change my desktop wallpaper. I 
want more than just that.
So now, Mr Community, Jono Bacon: I would like to hear something from 
you. What about the importance of this mailing list? What about the 
importance of those wishes a user utters? Those wishes many users utter? 
At the moment, I do not see a operating system designed for users (be it 
private/home users, be it corporate users). I see a system that 
struggles to compete with Mac OS X when it comes to terms of simpleness. 
And this system tries to become as simple as Mac OS X; simpler as Mac OS 
X. Still, even Mac OS X, offers more flexibility. Ubuntu is an OS for 
human beings? Well, I would say it is a system for human robots, who 
want their individuality strapped away from them.
As a classical philologist I know that Plato once said that democracy is 
prone to become the rule of the mindless mob. I do not want the 
community to decide everything in the design process of Unity (and of 
Ubuntu in general). But it would be nice to sometimes listen to the 
masses. In bug 733349 we had/have a patch. Why not implement it and make 
it an option. To simply set a bug on "won't fix" just shows the whole 
community how Canonical deals with patches. They state that they do not 
want us and our ideas. They do not want to appreciate the time somebody 
invested in improving Ubuntu. So again Mr Community Manager, Mr 
Community, Mr Jono Bacon: what do you think about this? What do you answer?



Am 25.09.2011 04:48, schrieb Mike Basinger:
> No, but been quiet. What projects could we work on with Ubuntu 11.10 coming out.
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> On Sep 24, 2011, at 8:16 PM, anthropornis wrote:
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