[Ubuntu-PH] Hosed my System
Ryan Bayona
ryan at gbsmanila.com
Sat Oct 27 08:16:06 UTC 2007
Hi Roy,
i used the CD to upgrade my dapper drake to feisty fawn. i opted not to
use the online upgrade because my internet here is slow, and so i just
downloaded and burn feisty fawn in our office.
On Sat, 2007-10-27 at 15:23 +0800, roy choco wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Thanks. I've come to the conclusion that I would need to upgrade
> using the cd. And I'm too much of a noob in linux to be monkeying too
> much for the online upgrade to fail. My own upgrade from Edgy to
> Feisty also failed. I thought that was because I installed automatix.
> So while using Feisty, I usually just used the add-remove utility.
>
> Although I think that I did install a couple of packages manually,
> using instructions from the internet, and I did monkey around with the
> setting of xorg when I upgraded my video card.
>
> I'm just glad to hear I'm not the only one that experience such
> difficulties. :)
>
> Thanks again.
>
> On 10/27/07, Bopolissimus Platypus Jr <bopolissimus.lists at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> On 10/25/07, roy choco <roychoco at gmail.com > wrote:
> > I was trying to upgrade to Kubuntu Gutsy yesterday, I
> encountered some
> > problems while gutsy was installing, ling story short, I
> think I hosed my
> > system. All the stupid things I did can be read at
> >
> >
> http://batongpatay.blogspot.com/2007/10/upgrading-to-gutsy.html
> >
> > Any help, including telling me how stupid I am will be
> appreciated :)
>
> I've done that thrice (online upgrade, Dapper to Edgy, Edgy to
> Feisty,
> Feisty to Gutsy). It has never worked flawlessly for me.
>
> http://monotremetech.blogspot.com/2007/05/online-feisty-upgrade-washout-again.html
>
> For Edgy to Feisty I gave up and installed from CD. I think I
> might
> have found a
> way to get Dapper to Edgy to work, but I don't remember. I'm
> afraid I
> might need
> to reinstall again for Gutsy. Mainly, my online upgrades
> would fail because the
> .deb system that Ubuntu uses is a bit too inflexible for
> me. Or I'm
> messing with
> my system too much and it's my fault. Or both. For instance,
> at one or another
> point I would just rm -f a file from /etc/init.d because I'm
> too lazy
> to inactivate it
> the right way. Trying to apt-get remove the package that owns
> that
> file would then
> fail (sometimes requiring dpkg --configure -a to fix).
>
> Sometimes too (I think this was with courier related packages
> during
> the Dapper to
> Edgy update), more than one package thinks it owns a given
> file.
> Uninstalling one
> file makes the other package unable to uninstall since it
> won't
> uninstall if it can't
> find a file it's supposed to delete. Now *that* I think is a
> weakness
> in the rules for
> that particular package. Existence of a file that is going to
> be
> deleted anyway should
> not block an uninstall from completing, it should just skip
> the file
> since the effect would
> be the same anyway. I think what I ended up doing (since I
> knew how
> to use strace
> and still don't know how to read .debs) was strace the
> uninstaller,
> figure out what
> file it was missing, and touch the file so that it would have
> an empty
> file to remove :-).
>
> I've tried the gutsy online update already. I would say that
> you
> probably should *not*
> accept any console errors if things go wrogn. Instead, figure
> out and
> fix each error
> as it appears (e.g., creating missing files, if that's what's
> required, or apt-get removing
> the package that is just breaking before continuing the
> upgrade).
> When the upgrade
> completes cleanly, then you would just reinstall any packages
> you removed.
>
> Of course, the problem with this is that some packages are
> needed by
> too many other
> packages and you can easily break X or similar. If that goes
> on too
> long, well then,
> just reinstall from CD. I'm probably going to try working out
> the
> online upgrade for
> the next few days (holiday on monday, after all). If I can't
> get
> everything working
> by Nov 5, then I'll install from CD.
>
> I'm sure that for naive users, the online upgrade works pretty
> well.
> The problem is,
> I install packages from universe, I upgrade some packages and
> not others, I
> use some packages from Trevin0, I install some things from
> source. Sometimes
> I'll install/upgrade from source without removing the
> corresponding package via
> apt-get or synaptic :-). The ubuntu packages don't seem to be
> engineered for that
> sort of chaos. All of that is understandable and as
> expected. Inconvenient for
> me though. And if you've been monkeying with your system at a
> level lower than
> synaptic, then you've probably broken your system in similar
> ways,
> which is why it
> won't upgrade now.
>
> tiger
>
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