[ubuntu-mythtv] Mythbuntu developer application

Thomas Mashos thomas at mashos.com
Mon Sep 12 17:14:07 UTC 2011


I know that mythbuntu-dev won't remove the red tape. It is a little
frustrating though that once my software makes it into the archive, I can no
longer write code and commit directly to the branch (since it is then owned
by mythbuntu-dev)

I'll continue to get my packages into the archive. I was just a little
frustrated when I was doing that.


On Sun, Sep 11, 2011 at 11:31 PM, Mario Limonciello <superm1 at ubuntu.com>wrote:

> Thomas,
> I agree, it's easy to get discouraged when trying to get new software into
> the Ubuntu repositories because of how much human subjectivity is involved
> as it's reviewed before accepting into the archive.  Please keep in mind
> becoming a developer with upload rights doesn't suddenly remove that red
> tape.  Code review is a healthy procedure that I think should continue to
> exists.  I think it would be good for you to help identify where some of
> those deficiencies that you encountered with the process for new packages
> were and specifically why the automated tools (revu, lintian, etc) weren't
> able to triage them ahead of time.  The more that the automated tools grow,
> the less human subjectivity can play into review.
> PPAs are a useful tool, but not having red tape and peer review is a double
> edged sword.  Uploading to a PPA that people use on their stable boxes has a
> lot more potential to break dozens of boxes.  We've had these types of
> problems with the auto-builds mythtv branches in the past with botched
> patches, and need to keep it to a minimum.  This is exactly why the Ubuntu
> SRU process exists.  So I would like you to continue with any new software
> in the Ubuntu archive even if it ends up being troublesome to initially get
> accepted.
> I think that overall you've shown a lot of growth from the first Mythbuntu
> packages that you worked on to the most recent that i've reviewed
> (mythbuntu-bare) and seem to have a good concept of how package maintenance
> works with stuff actually in the Ubuntu archive during the development
> phases.  You take feature freeze seriously and attempt to get all of your
> work done in time for the freeze.
> Right now I don't think any of the stuff specific to the Mythbuntu package
> set fits with Debian because it's all so tightly wrapped around MythTV which
> isn't yet in Debian.  There is however an ongoing effort for MythTV
> inclusion in Debian.  When that happens, I would like to see you explore
> moving the packages that you've written and maintain in Ubuntu into Debian
> as well.
> So as long as you can continue to work directly in the archive even for NEW
> packages, I think mythbuntu-dev is a good fit for you.
> Thanks,
>  On Wed, Aug 31, 2011 at 13:38, Thomas Mashos <thomas at mashos.com> wrote:
>>  Name: Thomas Mashos
>> Launchpad page: https://launchpad.net/~tgm4883
>> Who I am: A Mythbuntu developer that apparently doesn't have access to his
>> own software.
>> My Ubuntu Story: I got into Mythbuntu when it was being founded, which was
>> April 2007. At that point I didn't know much about creating software, but
>> was willing to help document things and triage bugs. Through the support of
>> Mario Limonciello and Daviey Walker, I am now able to contribute in more of
>> a development role.
>> Areas of work: I'm the creator or mythbuntu-bare, mythbuntu-repos, and
>> mythbuntu-log-grabber. I've written documentation, triaged bugs, submitted
>> patches, reproduced issues, and assisted in distributing Mythbuntu.
>> Things I could do better: I could submit software for inclusion into
>> Debian, rather that deal with attempting to get my software that was written
>> specifically for Mythbuntu into the Ubuntu archives.
>> Plans for the future: To continue to patch my software that is already in
>> the archive and use PPA's for everything else.
>> Examples of my work: See Mythbuntu-bare, mythbuntu-repos,
>> mythbuntu-log-grabber.
>> What I like least in Ubuntu: The red tape required to get things into the
>> repositories. How there always seems to be one more hoop to jump through. An
>> attempt in making it easier for the Mythbuntu team to patch software that we
>> are responsible for has left me without the ability to commit anything to my
>> Mythbuntu bzr branches.
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