<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN"> <html> <head> <meta content="text/html;charset=ISO-8859-1" http-equiv="Content-Type"> <title></title> </head> <body bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000"> This topic thread is getting a "little hot" so I hope everyone will keep their cool. We all want what is best for the Linux/Ubuntu community. Zarul, I agree with you - elections is a horrible process. But naming a successor also has its drawbacks. Would anyone like to volunteer to lead the group should all efforts to convince Zarul NOT to resign fail? <pre wrap="">"Mark Shuttleworth and most of the people in the core team have been involved with open source development for years and one thing for sure, they didn't start it with "profit" in mind. In other words, they don't simply do things for money."</pre> This is true but also not quite true. In an interview on ubuntunews.info with Mark Shuttleworth: Daviey: Why is 'ubuntu' a trademark of Canonical and not the Ubuntu foundation? Canonical is the funder of the brand. The Ubuntu Foundation is a trust that exists in the event that Canonical can no longer support Ubuntu. so, when we made a long term support commitment, i figured out how much money we needed in the bank to meet that commitment and setup the Ubuntu foundation and gave them that amount of money. no matter what happens to Canonical, the money is there to meet the support commitment. you can safely deploy Dapper and you will not suddenly find yourself unsupported, but we don't touch that money, it's an insurance balance. so, in that light, it makes more sense to have Canonical manage the brands. it invests in the marketing, and also makes decisions about the ways in which people can use the brand. so far, it's working well. (<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.ubuntunews.info/mark-shuttleworth-interview-ubuntu-open-week">http://www.ubuntunews.info/mark-shuttleworth-interview-ubuntu-open-week</a>) As you can see, Mark actually funds Ubuntu through Canonical. He said the same thing in an interview on The Guardian: TG: What's the business model for Canonical? MS Our business model is entirely based on services around our software. Because Canonical plays such a key role in Ubuntu, even though it doesn't monopolise access to it, we're a preferred partner for Ubuntu. Whether it's technical support, which we think people are more likely to buy from us than from anybody else, or whether it's engineering, customisation, or the enablement of the platform on particular hardware, Canonical has a privileged position. (<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2008/may/22/internet.software">http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2008/may/22/internet.software</a>) Mark also warned, "...a well-funded open source team that is NOT led by someone with a personal interest in shipping the project will get distracted by other shiny tech toys and fail to actually ship something focused and constructive." (<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/date/2003/11">http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/date/2003/11</a>) The point is, it is easier to get the "project" going when there is funding. I hope the Malaysian Ubuntu community also has the same vision as Mark - "...we made a long term support commitment, i figured out how much money we needed in the bank to meet that commitment and setup the Ubuntu foundation and gave them that amount of money. no matter what happens to Canonical..." <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:ubuntu-my-request@lists.ubuntu.com">ubuntu-my-request@lists.ubuntu.com</a> wrote: <blockquote cite="mid:mailman.101.1213959618.18458.ubuntu-my@lists.ubuntu.com" type="cite"> <pre wrap="">Send Ubuntu-my mailing list submissions to <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:ubuntu-my@lists.ubuntu.com">ubuntu-my@lists.ubuntu.com</a> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-my">https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-my</a> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:ubuntu-my-request@lists.ubuntu.com">ubuntu-my-request@lists.ubuntu.com</a> You can reach the person managing the list at <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:ubuntu-my-owner@lists.ubuntu.com">ubuntu-my-owner@lists.ubuntu.com</a> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Ubuntu-my digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Fwd: Ubuntu-my Digest, Vol 18, Issue 5 (zarul shahrin) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2008 11:26:28 +0800 From: "zarul shahrin" <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:zarulshahrin@gmail.com"><zarulshahrin@gmail.com></a> Subject: [ubuntu-my] Fwd: Ubuntu-my Digest, Vol 18, Issue 5 To: "Malaysian Team Mailing List" <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:ubuntu-my@lists.ubuntu.com"><ubuntu-my@lists.ubuntu.com></a> Message-ID: <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:b3aabcca0806192026v5d061011y91662aaf07899246@mail.gmail.com"><b3aabcca0806192026v5d061011y91662aaf07899246@mail.gmail.com></a> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hai I have a thought about it, I don't really agree with this election thing.. One thing about election is, the better you talk and the better social skills you have, then you will be a leader.. even if in reality, there are more people spending all their time working for the community.. But these people are boring geeks, they don't organize BBQ instead they spend their time replying emails to people who asked for their help. Election is all about, how many you know instead of how much you have contributed. Atleast, this is true in Malaysia. I hate politics , most of the politicians are just good at making promises and finding/spotting other people mistakes. They are good at making people think they are angels, while the current leaders are Devils. Most of them don't care about the people, they just lied so that they can rise to power and when they rise to power, you will realized how much of what they said before were nothing more than lies so that they can be at the top... I am sorry, but I don't wish to have politics or politician here... The kind of leader that I dream of is a leader with a proven background, a background in helping the people... I am stubborn person, I am no longer gonna be the leader of this group, and it has already have much problem.. But I do not wish to see it being a complete destruction... I might not be a good leader and I learned a lot from my experience and pretty much tell me what kind of person should lead this group.... I founded the local group, that something you can't deny.. I am not boasting.. but that's fact... as a founder, I don't want to see what I started being destroyed, I am willing to go because I think I am not good enough or have enough experience to lead this group anymore, and I wish someone who is more experienced to lead the group and not someone who is popular but lacking in term of experience and knowledge and skills of a leader.. I am going to come out with the list of people who have been contributing and supporting Ubuntu for the past few years.. they are not popular people, but they are old and experienced enough to lead the group... I normally don't use my power to decide, but this will be the first and the last for me.. For the good of this community... Zarul On Fri, Jun 20, 2008 at 9:29 PM, Syamsul Anuar <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:anuar@vastalux.com.my"><anuar@vastalux.com.my></a> wrote: </pre> <blockquote type="cite"> <pre wrap="">Salam / Greetings All, Zarul, Thanks for all your contribution and we respect your decision. Its time for the new leadership to take your legacy and move forward the Ubuntu Malaysia community towards better tomorrow. I for one suggest there should be an election for new leadership, complete with some campaigning as I think the Malaysia general public nowadays dont embrace "peralihan kuasa" (read: something got to do with Pak Lah.. ) but a fair and democratic constitution is the way forward. I will always lend my support to my beloved Linux Community. Regards, -wariola- </pre> </blockquote> <pre wrap="">-------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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