Maybe we should build poll for this<br>and meeting about it.<br>but i am very sure that gunblade is suitable to be our new leader<br><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Jun 21, 2008 at 1:31 AM, ApOgEE <<a href="mailto:jerungkun@gmail.com">jerungkun@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br> <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">Why do people think politics sucks? People learn from lessons... When they have encounter in front of their face that shit smells stinks, they will pinch their nose when they see one... even something that looks alike.<br> <br>As for me, I'm clear that only those politicians could color their own. Whether to make it sucks or make it good.<br><br>Voting in the first place isn't involve politics. It does involve community decisions. And that is democracy. Without voting, you may mistakenly make decision that didn't fit the community or in malay words, "syok sendiri". Politics comes next, when some guys think that he can get benefit from the community by being a leader and then pretend that they are better to be voted, create promises, lies and so on. We have eyes, we have ears, we have sense to decide what is right and wrong. If we mistakenly voted a person who cannot really do what he said or promise, we could also vote him down. That's the community power.<br> <br>I think I can grab Zarul's idea, to simply hand over the leadership to the person who have already spending all their time working for the community. The person who have already spent their time replying emails to people who asked for their help. So, in order to justify who is that person, we should count on everyone who meet that criteria.<br><br>Being a newbies in this community, I just wanna see this community growing better, active and supportive like other LUGs in the world. I hope that you will choose the right person who can spend his time to lead this great community. I hope someday, people will recognize Ubuntu Malaysia among the best Linux community in Asia, if not the best in the world.<div> <div></div><div class="Wj3C7c"><br> <br><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Jun 20, 2008 at 9:32 PM, Mohd Faizul Zulkipli <<a href="mailto:gunbladeiv@gmail.com" target="_blank">gunbladeiv@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"> <div link="blue" vlink="purple" lang="EN-US"> <div> <p><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Stop it Faizul.  Oh no, our name maybe same but I'm not interested in being leader.  I just would like to contribute to the community as what I am currently do right now,  I have to agree with wariola about election.  We should practice democracy to elect the best leader.  And I have to agree with Zarul's too, no politics in this community.</span></p> <p><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></p> <p><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Show us what you can do instead of talking what you could do.</span></p> <p><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">I'm voting for an election for the next leader to bring the community one step forward.</span></p> <p><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></p> <div style="border-style: solid none none; border-color: rgb(181, 196, 223) -moz-use-text-color -moz-use-text-color; border-width: 1pt medium medium; padding: 3pt 0in 0in;"> <p><b><span style="font-size: 10pt;">From:</span></b><span style="font-size: 10pt;"> <a href="mailto:ubuntu-my-bounces@lists.ubuntu.com" target="_blank">ubuntu-my-bounces@lists.ubuntu.com</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:ubuntu-my-bounces@lists.ubuntu.com" target="_blank">ubuntu-my-bounces@lists.ubuntu.com</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Mohamad Faizul<br> <b>Sent:</b> Friday, June 20, 2008 7:40 PM<div><br> <b>To:</b> Malaysian Team Mailing List<br> </div><b>Subject:</b> Re: [ubuntu-my] Fwd: Ubuntu-my Digest, Vol 18, Issue 5</span></p> </div><div><div></div><div> <p> </p> <p style="margin-bottom: 12pt;">i think gunblade is suitable to be our new leader<br> anyone ?</p> <div> <p>On Fri, Jun 20, 2008 at 11:26 AM, zarul shahrin <<a href="mailto:zarulshahrin@gmail.com" target="_blank">zarulshahrin@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</p> <div> <div> <div> <p><br> Hai<br> <br> I have a thought about it, I don't really agree with this election thing..<br> <br> One thing about election is, the better you talk and the better social skills you have, then you will be a leader.. even if in reality, there are more people spending all their time working for the community..<br> But these people are boring geeks, they don't organize BBQ instead they spend their time replying emails to people who asked for their help.  Election is all about, how many you know instead of how much you have contributed. Atleast, this is true in Malaysia.<br> <br> I hate politics , most of the politicians are just good at making promises and finding/spotting other people mistakes. They are good at making people think they are angels, while the current leaders are Devils.  Most of them don't care about the people, they just lied so that they can rise to power and when they rise to power, you will realized how much of what they said before were nothing more than lies so that they can be at the top...<br> <br> I am sorry, but I don't wish to have politics or politician here... The kind of leader that I dream of is a leader with a proven background, a background in helping the people... I am stubborn person, I am no longer gonna be the leader of this group, and it has already have much problem.. But I do not wish to see it being a complete destruction... I might not be a good leader and I learned a lot from my experience and pretty much tell me what kind of person should lead this group.... I founded the local group, that something you can't deny.. I am not boasting.. but that's fact... as a founder,  I don't want to see what I started being destroyed, I am willing to go because I think I am not good enough or have enough experience to lead this group anymore, and I wish someone who is more experienced to lead the group and not someone who is popular but lacking in term of experience and knowledge and skills of a leader..<br> <br> I am going to come out with the list of people who have been contributing and supporting Ubuntu for the past few years.. they are not popular people, but they are old and experienced enough to lead the group...  I normally don't use my power to decide, but this will be the first and the last for me.. For the good of this community...<br> <span style="color: rgb(136, 136, 136);"><br> <br> Zarul</span></p> <div> <div> <p style="margin-bottom: 12pt;"><br> <br> <br> </p> <div> <p>On Fri, Jun 20, 2008 at 9:29 PM, Syamsul Anuar <<a href="mailto:anuar@vastalux.com.my" target="_blank">anuar@vastalux.com.my</a>> wrote:</p> <p>Salam / Greetings All,<br> <br> Zarul, Thanks for all your contribution and we respect your decision.<br> Its time for the new leadership to take your legacy and move forward the<br> Ubuntu Malaysia community towards better tomorrow.<br> <br> I for one suggest there should be an election for new leadership,<br> complete with some campaigning as I think the Malaysia general public<br> nowadays dont embrace "peralihan kuasa" (read: something got to do with<br> Pak Lah.. ) but a fair and democratic constitution is the way forward.<br> <br> I will always lend my support to my beloved Linux Community.<br> <br> Regards,<br> -wariola-</p> </div> <p> </p> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> <p style="margin-bottom: 12pt;"><br> --<br> Ubuntu-my mailing list<br> <a href="mailto:Ubuntu-my@lists.ubuntu.com" target="_blank">Ubuntu-my@lists.ubuntu.com</a><br> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: <a href="https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-my" target="_blank">https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-my</a></p> </div> <p><br> <br clear="all"> <br> -- <br> Faizul<br> <a href="http://kaki5.wordpress.com/" target="_blank">http://kaki5.wordpress.com/</a> </p> <p> </p> </div></div><p>__________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3048 (20080423) __________</p> <p> </p> <p>The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus.</p> <p> </p> <p><a href="http://www.eset.com" target="_blank">http://www.eset.com</a></p> </div> </div> <br>--<br> Ubuntu-my mailing list<br> <a href="mailto:Ubuntu-my@lists.ubuntu.com" target="_blank">Ubuntu-my@lists.ubuntu.com</a><br> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: <a href="https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-my" target="_blank">https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-my</a><br> <br></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br></div></div>Best Wishes,<br><font color="#888888"><br>ApOgEE a.k.a JeRuNgKuN<br>----------------------------------------------------<br><a href="https://edge.launchpad.net/%7Eapogee" target="_blank">https://edge.launchpad.net/~apogee</a> - ApOgEE on LaunchPad<br> <a href="http://artofapogee.blogspot.com" target="_blank">http://artofapogee.blogspot.com</a> - Art Of ApOgEE<br><a href="http://coderstalk.blogspot.com" target="_blank">http://coderstalk.blogspot.com</a> - Coder's Talk<br> <a href="http://jerungkun.blogspot.com" target="_blank">http://jerungkun.blogspot.com</a> - The Rojak Blog<br> <a href="http://reggae-and-ska.blogspot.com" target="_blank">http://reggae-and-ska.blogspot.com</a> - Reggae and SKA Music Blog<br>---------------------------------------------------- </font><br>--<br> Ubuntu-my mailing list<br> <a href="mailto:Ubuntu-my@lists.ubuntu.com">Ubuntu-my@lists.ubuntu.com</a><br> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: <a href="https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-my" target="_blank">https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-my</a><br> <br></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Mohamad Faizul Zulkifli<br><a href="http://piju.fakap.net/">http://piju.fakap.net/</a>