[ubuntu-my] Novell, Open Source? ... Hah! (was Ubuntu ditches X for Wayland?)

Ghodmode ghodmode at ghodmode.com
Wed Dec 8 20:07:15 GMT 2010

Hey Eric... chill...
This wasn't a personal attack.

I didn't claim that Novell didn't contribute or that they just buy stuff and
package it as their own.  I only suggested that they haven't created new
open source products.  They have made tremendous improvements to the
products they've acquired and it has benefited our community greatly.

I did say that it was just my opinion.  And I called it "a bad vibe" because
I don't have any concrete reasons.  I purposefully didn't bring up the
Microsoft-Novell deal from 2006 because that topic has been beat to death,
but that *was* the event during which they crossed the line for me.

How was I mistaken or ill-informed about?  Where's the FUD?  If my dates are
wrong, I blame Wikipedia because that's where I got them.  I referenced the
source.  The rest was my opinion.

I already knew about most of Novell's contributions to open source.  I'm
sure that everything you've mentioned is accurate, but it hasn't changed my

As a company, I doubt Novell's sincerity and goals in working with the Open
Source community.  This says nothing about the individuals working at Novell
on their Open Source products.  I'm certain that Loong Jin about many FLOSS
employees being FLOSS evangelists.  I also agree with him about Novell's
reasons for not chancing a betrayal of the Open Source community.

In any case, I hope I didn't offend anyone.

-- Vince

On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 4:39 PM, Slaya Chronicles - Geeko Acolyte <
msiantuxlover at gmail.com> wrote:

> You are mistaken and a ill-informed.
> Novell is the second largest contributor to the Linux kernel,
> contributed to the development of XEN when nob ody dared to touch it,
> Novell has the second largest contributor of OpenOffice.org (including
> works on VBA porting, OOXML support), GNOME, Banshee, Tomboy, Monsoon,
> Moonlight etc etc.
> Novell bought SUSE and out came openSUSE. Novell just don't package
> stuff and call it their own. They actually write stuff and contribute
> upstream.
> Check your facts before you become a purveyor of FUD. We already have
> Microsoft for that.
> Eric
> On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 7:13 AM, Ghodmode <ghodmode at ghodmode.com> wrote:
> >
> > On Tue, Dec 7, 2010 at 11:49 PM, Chow Loong Jin <hyperair at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> Hmm? Novell deals with closed-source things? I haven't heard about that.
> >> What
> >> closed-source products do they have?
> >
> > Novell has a long history of closed, proprietary software and hardware
> > products.  Groupwise and NetWare were the two that I'm the most familiar
> > with, but I took a look at their Wikipedia page
> > (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Novell) and saw some others that I am
> familiar
> > with, including WordPerfect and Quattro Pro.
> >
> > Novell didn't start getting involved with Open Source software until late
> > 2003 when they bought Ximian, the original creators of the Evolution
> email
> > client.  They bought SuSE later that same year.
> >
> > As far as I know, Novell never innovated any new Open Source products or
> > software.  They've only acquired some other open source companies and
> worked
> > to make their products commercially viable.
> >
> > In my opinion, Novell has never been a purveyor of Open Source products
> and
> > has only been superficially friendly with OSS groups.
> >
> > I'm using SuSE on one laptop.  I usually use Ubuntu, but this laptop's
> video
> > chipset has some issues with the video driver packaged with Debian-based
> > distributions.
> >
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> >
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