[ubuntu-my] Ubuntu-my Digest, Vol 27, Issue 46
Mohd Faizul Bin Zulkipli
gunbladeiv at gmail.com
Tue Mar 24 09:05:04 GMT 2009
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I think there is no problem with a general definition of non-profit
organization from the wiki. How ever, we must also refer to the
Ubuntu Code of Conduct and we are strictly bound by this CoC in term
of using Ubuntu as our community name. We are under these rules and
we cannot simply take wiki definition without considering rules being
stated in CoC.
I hope En Zul can really understand why the make CoC in the first
place. Saya tidak merasakan tanpa tabung atau kewangan terkumpul,
Komuniti Ubuntu Malaysia ini tidak mampu merancang dan melaksanakan
projek/event.
Dari pengalaman saya bersama komuniti, kebanyakkan dari event yang
telah dilaksanakan, kami akan mencari syarikat-syarikat yang ingin
menaja dan kadang kala ahli komuniti itu sendiri sanggup mengeluarkan
wang sendiri demi menanggung kos perlaksanaan projek/event.
Bagi saya, ahli komuniti tidak perlu dipaksa untuk mengeluarkan
perbelanjaan sebaliknya ia terpulang kepada individu itu sendiri untuk
mengeluarkan perbelanjaan sekiranya mampu/perlu. Begitu juga pada
sponsor dari syarikat dimana syarikat itu mempunyai hak untuk sponsor
atau menarik balik sponsor jika terdapat kekeliruan atau ketidakpuasan
hati mengenai beberapa isu. Dalam erti kata lain, tidak boleh memaksa.
Dan seperti mana yang telah dibincangkan sebelum didalam IRC pada 23
Mac 2009 (#ubuntu-my), individu yang ingin membuka syarikat utk
mengendalikan projek dengan keuntungan boleh berbuat demikian tetapi
TIDAK BOLEH MENGGUNAKAN NAMA KOMUNITI UBUNTU MALAYSIA itu sendiri.
Ini kerana komuniti ini terlindung dibawah Code of Conduct yang
tertera di http://www.ubuntu.com/community/conduct itu sendiri. Dan
sekiranya syarikat persendirian itu ingin membiayai projek-projek yang
dibuat oleh Komuniti Ubuntu Malaysia, itu adalah hak syarikat
tersebut, begitu juga sebaliknya.
Saya harap penerangan ini mampu menjelaskan kepada semua bagaimana
Komuniti ini berjalan dan dimana pendirian komuniti Ubuntu Malaysia
ini didalam usaha untuk menumpul dana/tabung projek.
Zulkifli Abdullah wrote:
> to zarul; please bro..dont underestimate our other mmbers.. we should
> respect each other and the term "respect" here is clearly explained in
> CoC.
>
> i got this info from wikipedia and i hope im not stupid enough to copy
> paste rubbish in this wonderful mailing-list.
>
> "Whereas for-profit corporations exist to earn and distribute taxable
> business earnings to shareholders, the nonprofit corporation exists
> solely to provide programs and services that are of public benefit.
> Often these programs and services are not otherwise provided by local,
> state, or federal entities. While they are able to earn a profit, more
> accurately called a surplus, such earnings must be retained by the
> organization for its future provision of programs and services.
> Earnings may not benefit individuals or stake-holders[1]. Underlying
> many effective nonprofit endeavors is a commitment to management.
> Twenty years ago, management was a dirty word to those involved in
> nonprofit organizations. It meant business, and non-profits prided
> themselves on being free of the taint of commercialism and above such
> sordid considerations as the bottom line. Now most of them have
> learned that nonprofits need management even more than business does,
> precisely because they lack the discipline of the bottom line. The
> nonprofits are, of course still dedicated to "doing good." But they
> also realize that good intentions are no substitute for organization
> and leadership, for accountability, performance, and results. Those
> require management and that, in turn, begins with the organization's
> mission."
>
> ref : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-profit_organization
>
> -enjoy-
>
> On 3/24/09, ubuntu-my-request at lists.ubuntu.com
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>> 1. Re: Something to be considered (Wan M Fahmi Wan Azmi)
>> 2. Re: Something to be considered (ApOgEE)
>> 3. Re: Ubuntu-my Digest, Vol 27, Issue 42 (zarul shahrin)
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>> Message: 1
>> Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 14:42:58 +0800
>> From: Wan M Fahmi Wan Azmi <me at wanfahmi.com>
>> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-my] Something to be considered
>> To: Malaysian Team Mailing List <ubuntu-my at lists.ubuntu.com>
>> Message-ID:
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>> Or translate CoC dalam Bahasa Malaysia, any dispute please refer to
English
>> version. Macam kebanyakan T&C yang di alih bahasa.
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 14:02, Harisfazillah Jamel
>> <linuxmalaysia at gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> CoC tu mcm Legal Binding. Jadi perlu ada terjemahankan betul-betul
>>> ikut maksud sebenar CoC dalam English.
>>>
>>> 2009/3/24 ApOgEE <jerungkun at gmail.com>:
>>>> Good Idea Gunbladeiv...
>>>>
>>>> +1 gunbladeiv
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 1:51 PM, Mohd Faizul Bin Zulkipli
>>>> <gunbladeiv at gmail.com> wrote:
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>>>>> Do we need to translate the CoC in order for Malaysian to truly
>>>>> understand the CoC?
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>> Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 15:17:07 +0800
>> From: ApOgEE <jerungkun at gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-my] Something to be considered
>> To: Malaysian Team Mailing List <ubuntu-my at lists.ubuntu.com>
>> Message-ID:
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>> Pandangan saya...
>>
>> Saya memang jelas dan memahami bahawa Canonical juga membuat duit untuk
>> menyokong Ubuntu. Namun, Canonical adalah sebuah syarikat rasmi yang
menjadi
>> sponsor kepada Ubuntu. Telah jelas juga bahawa, Canonical memiliki segala
>> kebenaran untuk melakukan perniagaan dengan nama Ubuntu.
>>
>> Itu Canonical... harap kawan2 semua jelas bahawa Canonical Ltd. Ubuntu dan
>> Canonical copdagang berdaftar yang dimiliki oleh Canonical Ltd.
>>
>> "Canonical Ltd. Ubuntu and Canonical are registered trademarks of
Canonical
>> Ltd."
>>
>> kita tak sama... kita hanyalah Komuniti Ubuntu Malaysia yang tidak mahu
>> membuat keuntungan (non-profit)... "huh, takdak ontong punya kerja ni...
>> hahaha..."
>>
>> Berbalik kepada Komuniti Ubuntu Malaysia, kita tertakluk kepada Kod
>> Perlaksanaan (Code of Conduct) yang telah ditetapkan oleh Canonical yang
>> boleh dirujuk disini:
>>
>> http://www.ubuntu.com/community/conduct
>> https://launchpad.net/codeofconduct/1.0.1
>>
>> serta terhad kepada Polisi Copdagang (Trademark Policy) yang boleh dirujuk
>> disini:
>>
>> http://www.ubuntu.com/aboutus/trademarkpolicy
>>
>> yang mana ada kekangan jelas pada bahagian ini:
>>
>> "*Permitted Use*
>>
>> Certain usages of the Trademarks are fine and no specific permission
from us
>> is needed.
>>
>> *Community Advocacy.* Ubuntu is built by, and largely for, its
community. We
>> share access to the Trademarks with the entire community for the
purposes of
>> discussion, development and advocacy. We recognise that most of the open
>> source discussion and development areas are for non-commercial
purposes and
>> will allow the use of the trademarks in this context, provided:
>>
>> -
>>
>> the Trademark is used in a manner consistent with the Usage Guidelines
>> below
>> -
>>
>> *there is no commercial intent behind the use *
>> -
>>
>> what you are referring to is in fact Ubuntu. If someone is confused
into
>> thinking that what isn't Ubuntu is in fact Ubuntu, you are probably
doing
>> something wrong
>> -
>>
>> *there is no suggestion (through words or appearance) that your project
>> is approved, sponsored, or affiliated with Ubuntu or its related
projects
>> unless it actually has been approved by and is accountable to the
Ubuntu
>> Community Council*
>>
>> "
>>
>> Oleh itu, adalah wajar untuk mengambil jalan selamat dengan tidak
melibatkan
>> Komuniti Ubuntu dengan mana-mana aktiviti yang mendatangkan duit secara
>> terus kepada komuniti ini kerana setiap duit yang masuk, walau secara
tidak
>> langsung, tetap akan mendatangkan keuntungan kepada pihak2 yang
>> melaksanakannya sebagai ahli Komuniti Ubuntu Malaysia. Dan secara
seriusnya,
>> pihak tersebut akan secara automatik melanggar polisi yang disebut diatas.
>>
>> Sekira pihak tersebut didakwa oleh Canonical, dan didapati bersalah...
>> mereka akan:
>> 1. Dikenakan saman yang mungkin akan menyusahkan diri mereka.
>> 2. Memalukan komuniti dimana mereka bergiat. Dah tentu Ubuntu Malaysia.
>> 3. Memalukan diri sendiri... adeh...
>>
>>
>> Jadi, sejauh pemahaman saya mengenai isu duit dan komuniti Ubuntu. Setakat
>> ni, semua dah pun jelas bahawa Komuniti Ubuntu tidak akan mengurus
sebarang
>> simpanan dana mahupun sponsor untuk tujuan projek akan datang atau
>> sebagainya.
>>
>> Namun, saya pasti tentu ada yang tertanya-tanya... macam mana nak buat
>> events/projek tanpa dana/wang?
>>
>> Seperti projek/acara yang telah lalu, Komuniti Ubuntu Malaysia menggunakan
>> duit poket masing2 serta bantuan sponsor yang kecil dan duit tersebut
>> diuruskan dan dihabiskan untuk projek tersebut sahaja.
>>
>> Pada fikiran saya, kita boleh meneruskan projek/acara akan datang dengan
>> cara yang sama. Namun, seandainya ada dana yang besar dari mana-mana
pihak,
>> ia harus diuruskan oleh jawatankuasa yang melaksanakan projek/aktiviti
>> tersebut dengan telus.
>>
>> Berkenaan nama penerima sumbangan / akaun penerima sumbangan, tiada siapa
>> pun yang boleh menerima sumbangan bagi pihak Komuniti Ubuntu Malaysia.
Oleh
>> itu, sumbangan tersebut mungkin boleh disalurkan kepada pihak pengurusan
>> yang menanggung kos perlaksanakan projek/acara tersebut. Pihak yang
>> menanggung kos ini juga TIDAK BOLEH MENGAKU bahawa dana tersebut diterima
>> bagi pihak atau mewakili Komuniti Ubuntu Malaysia. Apa yang penting,
>> aktiviti/projek Komuniti Ubuntu Malaysia akan tetap boleh berlangsung
dengan
>> bantuan syarikat luar yang menanggung dan menguruskan kos perbelanjaan
>> aktiviti tersebut tanpa beliau atau Syarikat tersebut mengaku mewakili
>> Komuniti Ubuntu Malaysia.
>>
>> Syarikat tersebut boleh terdiri dari syarikat luar atau syarikat yang
>> dimiliki ahli komuniti. Namun Syarikat tersebut dengan jelas BUKANLAH
>> mewakili komuniti.
>>
>> So, kita boleh letak la, kos perlaksanaan projek ditanggung oleh
ABCDEF Sdn
>> Bhd. ke, VWXYZ Enterprise ke, dan kita boleh bagi la terima kasih kat
>> syarikat tu kat dalam wiki atau laman web kot.
>>
>> Selain dari apa yang difikirkan ini, kita juga boleh mendapatkan khidmat
>> nasihat dari LoCo Council (Local Community Council) berkenaan isu ini
kerana
>> LoCo Ubuntu di negara lain juga banyak melakukan aktiviti yang besar.
Lalu,
>> persoalannya kembali... bagaimana mereka menguruskan wang/menanggung kos
>> perbelanjaan aktiviti mereka?
>>
>> Itu hanyalah pandangan saya. Harap dapat dibincangkan jika masih ada
>> keraguan atau kekeliruan fakta.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> 2009/3/24 Wan M Fahmi Wan Azmi <me at wanfahmi.com>
>>
>>> Or translate CoC dalam Bahasa Malaysia, any dispute please refer to
>>> English
>>> version. Macam kebanyakan T&C yang di alih bahasa.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 14:02, Harisfazillah Jamel <
>>> linuxmalaysia at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> CoC tu mcm Legal Binding. Jadi perlu ada terjemahankan betul-betul
>>>> ikut maksud sebenar CoC dalam English.
>>>>
>>>> 2009/3/24 ApOgEE <jerungkun at gmail.com>:
>>>>> Good Idea Gunbladeiv...
>>>>>
>>>>> +1 gunbladeiv
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 1:51 PM, Mohd Faizul Bin Zulkipli
>>>>> <gunbladeiv at gmail.com> wrote:
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>>>>>> Do we need to translate the CoC in order for Malaysian to truly
>>>>>> understand the CoC?
>>>>>>
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>> Message: 3
>> Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 15:27:56 +0800
>> From: zarul shahrin <zarulshahrin at gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-my] Ubuntu-my Digest, Vol 27, Issue 42
>> To: Malaysian Team Mailing List <ubuntu-my at lists.ubuntu.com>
>> Message-ID:
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>> I think the main problem we are having here is that some of the members
>> don't bother to do a little bit of research before replying to the mailing
>> list.
>>
>> I would like to suggest that our members first read the CoC and then
Google
>> for issues related to loco team sponsorship etc. Even if you guys
think that
>> is something troublesome, atleast try to read the posts made earlier
by our
>> other members on the related topics. That will save us some time trying to
>> explain the same thing all over again... Nodody is making decision for fun
>> or as they wish. We have RULES to follow. That's what we are doing,
>> following the rules. I have been saying this gazillion of times. Ubuntu is
>> not our own brand for us to do anything as we like.
>>
>>
>> Zarul
>>
>> p/s: I think will stop entertaining such question. If you guys don't
bother
>> to help yourself or take the initiative to do a little bit of research
>> first. There is no reason for me to spend so much time explaining the same
>> thing all over again like an idiot. Sorry for being harsh, this is my
style
>> and don't get offended with it.. I am the kind of person who don't
like the
>> idea of spoon-feeding or repeating my words.....
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 2:06 PM, Zulkifli Abdullah
>> <zul.malc at gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> Salam...
>>>
>>> Kita perlu kaji secara mendalam, dan berbincang secara objektif dan
>>> berdiri diatas bumi nyata untuk buat setiap keputusan yang membabitkan
>>> komuniti. Ini bukan tanggungjawab kita terhadap kredibiliti dan
>>> pendapat kita saja tapi juga tanggungjawab terhadap keseluruhan
>>> komuniti. Pertamanya, Apa itu komuniti Ubuntu?
>>>
>>> Komuniti Ubuntu ialah setiap orang yang menggunakan ubuntu.
>>>
>>> Kerana itu, setiap keputusan kita hari ini akan memberikan efek segera
>>> dan jangka panjang kepada pembangunan komuniti.
>>>
>>> Persoalan sekarang, adakah komuniti wajar menjana pendapatannya
>>> sendiri? Ada 2 situasi yang aku rasa perlu difahami. Pertama, adakah
>>> culture di malaysia ni - company (samada besar atau kecil) suka
>>> sponsor aktiviti yang sesuatu komuniti lakukan? Ada ya dan ada tidak.
>>> Jika aktiviti melibatkan konsert, lagha bla-bla, Ya, ramai la company
>>> nak sponsor. Tapi kalau komuniti ubuntu nak buat aktiviti? Mungkin
>>> otai-otai kita ada jawapan sendiri. Kita perlukan kepastian. Ini ialah
>>> cara kita urus satu organisasi dan bukannya pertandingan sabung laga
>>> ayam.
>>>
>>> Kedua - Kalau komuniti ada tabung sendiri (kewangan sendiri), aku rasa
>>> tidak ada apa yang akan rugi. Aku rasa NPO pun ada tabung sendiri
>>> sedangkan mereka NPO. Aku sebenarnya xleh fikir macam mana satu
>>> organisasi hanya akan berfikir pasal kewangan HANYA setiap kali ingin
>>> lakukan aktiviti. Punyalah tak organize...Hmm tu dalam fikiran aku.
>>>
>>> Jadi apa yang perlu difikirkan;
>>> 1)Apa yang baik dan apa yang buruk kalau kita kekalkan komuniti
>>> sebagai badan yang xde tabung kewangan lansung.
>>> 2)Apa yang baik dan apa yang buruk kalau kita ubah komuniti kepada
>>> badan yang ada tabung kewangan dan boleh menjana pendapatan.
>>>
>>> Dalam fikiran korang mesti dah ada jawapan. Tapi aku rayu supaya bagi
>>> sedikit masa untuk fikirkan lagi keputusan dalam kepala korang tuh.
>>> Macam yang aku cakap, keputusan kita bertanggungjawab keatas semua
>>> ahli komuniti ubuntu malaysia.
>>>
>>> Wassalam.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 3/24/09, ubuntu-my-request at lists.ubuntu.com
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>>>> Today's Topics:
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>>>> 1. Something to be considered (zarul shahrin)
>>>> 2. Re: Bringing Ubuntu and open source to Malaysians (Nicholas Ng)
>>>> 3. Re: Bringing Ubuntu and open source to Malaysians (Hasan Bakar)
>>>> 4. Re: Which antivirus do you recommend?
>>>> (Yusof Khalid - Genius IT Enterprise)
>>>> 5. Re: Bringing Ubuntu and open source to Malaysians (ApOgEE)
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>> Message: 1
>>>> Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 09:25:22 +0800
>>>> From: zarul shahrin <zarulshahrin at gmail.com>
>>>> Subject: [ubuntu-my] Something to be considered
>>>> To: Malaysian Team Mailing List <ubuntu-my at lists.ubuntu.com>
>>>> Message-ID:
>>>> <b3aabcca0903231825j71d49cf5k49cbe6fdc4c5adec at mail.gmail.com>
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>>>>
>>>> Hai guys,
>>>>
>>>> I seriously think we should have some kind of guides on what kind of
>>>> activities that bring in money can be considered as non-profit
>>>> activities
>>> (
>>>> for the sake of funding etc) and what sort of activities are not
>>> acceptable
>>>> (profit oriented)..
>>>> I think it's the time we clear the confusion and draw a border line
>>>> since
>>>> many people lately are interested in making money though OSS and seeing
>>>> Ubuntu-my as a jumping stone..
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>> Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 09:49:54 +0800
>>>> From: Nicholas Ng <nbliang at gmail.com>
>>>> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-my] Bringing Ubuntu and open source to Malaysians
>>>> To: Malaysian Team Mailing List <ubuntu-my at lists.ubuntu.com>
>>>> Message-ID:
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>>>>
>>>> All,
>>>>
>>>> I seconded with Zarul.
>>>>
>>>> It's not that we against any activity by members that want to get
>>>> profit from Ubuntu Linux. What we against are the activities that
>>>> related to profit earning to UBUNTU-MY team. As the team is a
>>>> COMMUNITY, which mean non-profit and community driven efforts.
>>>>
>>>> As I mentioned in the IRC last night, the team and all the members of
>>>> ubuntu who have signed the CoC, we are abide by [1] Ubuntu Code of
>>>> Conducts (CoC). Therefore we have to uphold the Ubuntu CoC and protect
>>>> the community from being turned into business entity.
>>>>
>>>> [1] http://www.ubuntu.com/community/conduct
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>>
>>>> Nicholas Ng
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 2009/3/24 zarul shahrin <zarulshahrin at gmail.com>:
>>>>> Anyway just a note to avoid confusion later..
>>>>>
>>>>> I am not against anyone who is trying to set up a company that provides
>>>>> services for open source products like Ubuntu. What I am against is
>>> using
>>>>> the community as a personal "vehicle".
>>>>>
>>>>> 2009/3/24 Yusof Khalid - Genius IT Enterprise <fryshadow at gmail.com>
>>>>>> Open source is free.. deep into that, the code is free.. I think the
>>> term
>>>>>> to make a profit is not suitable, If we provide a service then that
>>>>>> should
>>>>>> come into some $$$ instead the software that we used.. Canonical
>>>>>> itself
>>>>>> selling product same as like BSD community, they sell t-shirt, cd,
>>> poster
>>>>>> and etc.. using the brand (BSD, Ubuntu).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As a community maybe we should not pay for a particular person instead
>>>>>> put
>>>>>> some $$ for activity, that should be nice :)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> $0.002
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>> Message: 3
>>>> Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 10:07:20 +0800
>>>> From: Hasan Bakar <bizkutrai at gmail.com>
>>>> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-my] Bringing Ubuntu and open source to Malaysians
>>>> To: Malaysian Team Mailing List <ubuntu-my at lists.ubuntu.com>
>>>> Message-ID:
>>>> <696e2c940903231907m2053e6w45c2f48cd03323e7 at mail.gmail.com>
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>>>>
>>>> "This is why we say that free
>>>> software<http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html>is a matter of
>>>> freedom, not price." -- Richard M. Stallman
>>>> http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/why-free.html
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 9:49 AM, Nicholas Ng <nbliang at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> All,
>>>>>
>>>>> I seconded with Zarul.
>>>>>
>>>>> It's not that we against any activity by members that want to get
>>>>> profit from Ubuntu Linux. What we against are the activities that
>>>>> related to profit earning to UBUNTU-MY team. As the team is a
>>>>> COMMUNITY, which mean non-profit and community driven efforts.
>>>>>
>>>>> As I mentioned in the IRC last night, the team and all the members of
>>>>> ubuntu who have signed the CoC, we are abide by [1] Ubuntu Code of
>>>>> Conducts (CoC). Therefore we have to uphold the Ubuntu CoC and protect
>>>>> the community from being turned into business entity.
>>>>>
>>>>> [1] http://www.ubuntu.com/community/conduct
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>
>>>>> Nicholas Ng
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> 2009/3/24 zarul shahrin <zarulshahrin at gmail.com>:
>>>>>> Anyway just a note to avoid confusion later..
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I am not against anyone who is trying to set up a company that
>>> provides
>>>>>> services for open source products like Ubuntu. What I am against is
>>>>>> using
>>>>>> the community as a personal "vehicle".
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 2009/3/24 Yusof Khalid - Genius IT Enterprise <fryshadow at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> Open source is free.. deep into that, the code is free.. I think the
>>>>> term
>>>>>>> to make a profit is not suitable, If we provide a service then that
>>>>> should
>>>>>>> come into some $$$ instead the software that we used.. Canonical
>>> itself
>>>>>>> selling product same as like BSD community, they sell t-shirt, cd,
>>>>> poster
>>>>>>> and etc.. using the brand (BSD, Ubuntu).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> As a community maybe we should not pay for a particular person
>>> instead
>>>>> put
>>>>>>> some $$ for activity, that should be nice :)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> $0.002
>>>>>>>
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>>>> Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 10:14:52 +0800
>>>> From: Yusof Khalid - Genius IT Enterprise <fryshadow at gmail.com>
>>>> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-my] Which antivirus do you recommend?
>>>> To: Malaysian Team Mailing List <ubuntu-my at lists.ubuntu.com>
>>>> Message-ID:
>>>> <7691d23e0903231914m223fe3e4k22926642c72b25f4 at mail.gmail.com>
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>>>>
>>>> If you familiar with the things in the pendrive i suspect you could
>>>> differentiate the kind of virus that might be executable. There's is
>>> clamav,
>>>> avg, VirusHammer for linux that you can try :)
>>>>
>>>> In linux is the best way you can save your pendrive that has been
>>> infected
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Jan 4, 2008 at 8:32 AM, michaelpo at gmail.com
>>>> <michaelpo at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Antivirus for Linux is necessary to help Windows.
>>>>> Let's say a pendrive is infected with virus, plug into linux, it will
>>>>> not affect linux.
>>>>> Linux can help clean the virus.
>>>>> Then when the pendrive is plug into windows, no more virus to destroy
>>>>> windows.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Jan 4, 2008 12:16 AM, Nicholas Ng <nbliang at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> There are various antivirus available but the most popular one is
>>>>>> ClamAV, which is also an open source project.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As many Linux users will ask, why do you need an antivirus for in
>>>>>> Unix/Linux environment? So far there is no "actual" virus attacking
>>>>>> in
>>>>>> Linux environment and you will be safe from viruses if you are using
>>>>>> Linux.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Nicholas Ng
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Jan 3, 2008 9:06 PM, rick <cwyong1 at streamyx.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> Hi.
>>>>>>> I am new to ubuntu and i would like to know which antivirus would
>>> you
>>>>>>> recommend.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thank you
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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>>>> Message: 5
>>>> Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 10:14:57 +0800
>>>> From: ApOgEE <jerungkun at gmail.com>
>>>> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-my] Bringing Ubuntu and open source to Malaysians
>>>> To: Malaysian Team Mailing List <ubuntu-my at lists.ubuntu.com>
>>>> Message-ID:
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>>>>
>>>> Greetings Community,
>>>>
>>>> For your information,
>>>>
>>>> Last night, we have already discussed regarding this "making money for
>>>> ubuntu-my" on our loco IRC channel #ubuntu-my on irc.freenode.net
>>>>
>>>> And here is the conclusion as what I understand (please correct me if
>>>> I'm
>>>> wrong):
>>>>
>>>> - Nobody will make money by representing Ubuntu Community and Ubuntu
>>>> Community won't keep any money for any donations. we don't have any
>>> Treasury
>>>> Dept or Accountant.
>>>>
>>>> - If in case, Ubuntu Community need some money to work on any community
>>>> events/project, the money should be coming from any sponsors including
>>>> ourselves and the money will be spent over that event/project alone.
>>>>
>>>> - All members have freedom to make money using open source, or providing
>>>> open source service BUT you CANNOT use Ubuntu Community name OR
>>> representing
>>>> Ubuntu Community.
>>>>
>>>> - You can use your good name and experience in Ubuntu Community to
>>>> strenghten your Profile or Portfolio.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> You can read the Meeting Log for details at:
>>>> http://wiki.ubuntu.com.my/Mesyuarat_IRC_23-03-2009
>>>> Or read the minutes at:
>>>> http://wiki.ubuntu.com.my/Wiki_Ubuntu_Malaysia:Peristiwa_semasa
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I hope we are all cleared. Thank you.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 2009/3/24 Hasan Bakar <bizkutrai at gmail.com>
>>>>
>>>>> "This is why we say that free
>>>>> software<http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html>is a matter of
>>>>> freedom, not price." -- Richard M. Stallman
>>>>> http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/why-free.html
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 9:49 AM, Nicholas Ng <nbliang at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> All,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I seconded with Zarul.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It's not that we against any activity by members that want to get
>>>>>> profit from Ubuntu Linux. What we against are the activities that
>>>>>> related to profit earning to UBUNTU-MY team. As the team is a
>>>>>> COMMUNITY, which mean non-profit and community driven efforts.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As I mentioned in the IRC last night, the team and all the members of
>>>>>> ubuntu who have signed the CoC, we are abide by [1] Ubuntu Code of
>>>>>> Conducts (CoC). Therefore we have to uphold the Ubuntu CoC and protect
>>>>>> the community from being turned into business entity.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> [1] http://www.ubuntu.com/community/conduct
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Nicholas Ng
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 2009/3/24 zarul shahrin <zarulshahrin at gmail.com>:
>>>>>>> Anyway just a note to avoid confusion later..
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I am not against anyone who is trying to set up a company that
>>> provides
>>>>>>> services for open source products like Ubuntu. What I am against is
>>>>>> using
>>>>>>> the community as a personal "vehicle".
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 2009/3/24 Yusof Khalid - Genius IT Enterprise <fryshadow at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> Open source is free.. deep into that, the code is free.. I think
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>> term
>>>>>>>> to make a profit is not suitable, If we provide a service then that
>>>>>> should
>>>>>>>> come into some $$$ instead the software that we used.. Canonical
>>>>>>>> itself
>>>>>>>> selling product same as like BSD community, they sell t-shirt, cd,
>>>>>> poster
>>>>>>>> and etc.. using the brand (BSD, Ubuntu).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> As a community maybe we should not pay for a particular person
>>> instead
>>>>>> put
>>>>>>>> some $$ for activity, that should be nice :)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> $0.002
>>>>>>>>
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>>>>
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