[ubuntu-my] Bringing Ubuntu and open source to Malaysians

Eric Seidlitz seidlitz at gmail.com
Thu Jun 19 11:44:46 BST 2008


Zarul,

So if I get this right, you think that your tenure as head of this
community is a failure because someone expressed an interest in making
some money off of open source?

As for me, I have no interest in trying to profit off of the wonderful
world of open source software (seems kind of counter-cultural), but if
someone wants to try, let 'em.

If I were you, I would take pride in your leadership of this group,
that it has come so far that people are dreaming of the possibilities
of making a living in the open source community.

Just my $0.02.

Eric


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Today's Topics:

   1. Re:  Bringing Ubuntu and open source to Malaysians (Tho Man)
   2. Re:  Bringing Ubuntu and open source to Malaysians (Donald P Kong)
   3. Re:  Bringing Ubuntu and open source to Malaysians (zarul shahrin)
   4. Re:  Bringing Ubuntu and open source to Malaysians (Altaf Jauhar)
   5. Re:  Ubuntu-my Digest, Vol 18, Issue 3 (Pepper Lim)


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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2008 22:32:53 +0800
From: "Tho Man" <shuhaimie at gmail.com> <shuhaimie at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [ubuntu-my] Bringing Ubuntu and open source to Malaysians
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this would be nice....i like to join but my time is limited....may be we can
have a brainstorming online how we can tap a market on this.
why not start a google group and we can discuss bout this...
make money is always something good to me..hehehehe...

On Wed, Jun 18, 2008 at 4:09 PM, Pepper Lim <pepperlim at 3people.org>
<pepperlim at 3people.org> wrote:

> I'm not sure if I'm going about this correctly. I couldn't find the
> rules for posting at https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-my
> so forgive me if this posting is inappropriate.
>
> I've been thinking of a plan to bring Ubuntu and open source software to
> Malaysians and Malaysian companies. It comprises of a business plan
> (making money while we have fun kicking Microsoft's butt) and a few
> other ideas.
>
> I would be interested to meet anyone else who would like to brainstorm
> this idea. Please email me at pepperlim at 3people.org or call me at
> 012-2951245
>
> --
> --
> Pepper Lim
> 012-2951245
> pepperlim at 3people.org
> Pepper's "Lim Family Tree" http://www.3people.org/limfamilytree
> BBBS Old Boys' Association website http://www.3people.org/bbbssoba
>
>
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Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2008 23:22:24 +0800
From: Donald P Kong <dpkong at pc.jaring.my> <dpkong at pc.jaring.my>
Subject: Re: [ubuntu-my] Bringing Ubuntu and open source to Malaysians
To: Malaysian Team Mailing List <ubuntu-my at lists.ubuntu.com>
<ubuntu-my at lists.ubuntu.com>
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there is no shortage of people trying to make money from open-source...

what are your plans? can you not share them here? or are you here to
scour for ideas and implement them in your own time to your own benefit?

we have many groups scattered around Malaysia who are actively promoting
open-source and Ubuntu for free. while monetary returns would be
desirable, it should not be the main driving factor.

nevertheless, i would be happy to listen to your proposals to encourage
the usage of open-source and Ubuntu.




On Wed, 2008-06-18 at 16:09 +0800, Pepper Lim wrote:

> I'm not sure if I'm going about this correctly. I couldn't find the
> rules for posting at https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-my
> so forgive me if this posting is inappropriate.
>
> I've been thinking of a plan to bring Ubuntu and open source software to
> Malaysians and Malaysian companies. It comprises of a business plan
> (making money while we have fun kicking Microsoft's butt) and a few
> other ideas.
>
> I would be interested to meet anyone else who would like to brainstorm
> this idea. Please email me at pepperlim at 3people.org or call me at
> 012-2951245
>
> --
> --
> Pepper Lim
> 012-2951245
> pepperlim at 3people.org
> Pepper's "Lim Family Tree" http://www.3people.org/limfamilytree
> BBBS Old Boys' Association website http://www.3people.org/bbbssoba
>
>

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+6019-887-7337
+6016-809-7227

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http://www.kuchingosc.org




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Message: 3
Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2008 00:38:26 +0800
From: "zarul shahrin" <zarulshahrin at gmail.com> <zarulshahrin at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [ubuntu-my] Bringing Ubuntu and open source to Malaysians
To: "Malaysian Team Mailing List" <ubuntu-my at lists.ubuntu.com>
<ubuntu-my at lists.ubuntu.com>
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How sad, I think I am no longer have heart for the community, I am proud
that I founded the group and built it from zero, well, we might not be as
active as the group from other countries but getting this far is already
beyond my expectation. Anyway, this group is getting bigger I will let
people who are more active like  Nicholas, mypapit and e-jat to take over
the leadership. I want to see the community grow, I really want to lead the
group , but for the past 1-2 years when the group is getting bigger,I
realized that I am holding a different ideology than many people that make
my objective for the group is something not relevant. I don't think many
people will agree with me.

So I think the best way is for me to pass the leadership to others. I am
sorry that I am failing some of you here, but when I founded the group, I
wasn't dreaming having a big community and make profit from it. I did it
because I fell in love of Ubuntu and back then it wasn't as famous as now
and people contribute as they like, no commitment and nobody will force
anyone to do anything, it's a free community in a free cyber world, but
things changed... Nothing is free anymore, the community has adopted a
businessman way of thinking. Open Source is no longer something you do for
fun in your free time. It has become a business where you need to be fully
committed. Well, it's true this way of thinking will give you the chance to
profit from it. But, that's against my belief, the open source religion
which I once was a devoted follower. Things changed, I don't want to be the
barrier to anyone with my narrow mindedness.

I am not putting away the principle that I've been upholding, I built the
group, no matter how bad/suck I am as a leader, I have achieved what I
wanted, to take it from nothing to where It is now, though some might claim
that I did nothing. But it's now no longer relevant to me... The group is no
longer my group , the group is no longer carrying the same teaching of a
religion that I was once a follower.

I wish the people who will take over the leadership will take care of the
group well, we might have a different ideology, but I will still give my
support at least as an ex-follower of the so called free software movement,
a religion which is no longer valid to me. I wish you guys all the best, and
I would like to apologize for anything bad I have done. I believe you guys
will be able to give a new light to the group with your style of leadership
and I hope that everyone will learn something from my mistake as a leader.
Nicholas, thank you for being with me from day one. I was hoping that you
will take over the leadership, but I understand that you have your own
commitment.

As for the rest of you, thank you for supporting Ubuntu Malaysia and for
making it where it is now.


p/s: I will send an email out to some of you guys in few days time regarding
the leadership of the group.


Zarul

On Wed, Jun 18, 2008 at 11:22 PM, Donald P Kong <dpkong at pc.jaring.my>
<dpkong at pc.jaring.my> wrote:

> there is no shortage of people trying to make money from open-source...
>
> what are your plans? can you not share them here? or are you here to
> scour for ideas and implement them in your own time to your own benefit?
>
> we have many groups scattered around Malaysia who are actively promoting
> open-source and Ubuntu for free. while monetary returns would be
> desirable, it should not be the main driving factor.
>
> nevertheless, i would be happy to listen to your proposals to encourage
> the usage of open-source and Ubuntu.
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, 2008-06-18 at 16:09 +0800, Pepper Lim wrote:

> > I'm not sure if I'm going about this correctly. I couldn't find the
> > rules for posting at https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-my
> > so forgive me if this posting is inappropriate.
> >
> > I've been thinking of a plan to bring Ubuntu and open source software to
> > Malaysians and Malaysian companies. It comprises of a business plan
> > (making money while we have fun kicking Microsoft's butt) and a few
> > other ideas.
> >
> > I would be interested to meet anyone else who would like to brainstorm
> > this idea. Please email me at pepperlim at 3people.org or call me at
> > 012-2951245
> >
> > --
> > --
> > Pepper Lim
> > 012-2951245
> > pepperlim at 3people.org
> > Pepper's "Lim Family Tree" http://www.3people.org/limfamilytree
> > BBBS Old Boys' Association website http://www.3people.org/bbbssoba
> >
> >

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>
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>
> Donald P Kong
> +6019-887-7337
> +6016-809-7227
>
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> http://www.foss-solutions.com
> http://www.kuchingosc.org
>
>
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Message: 4
Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2008 08:32:26 +0800
From: Altaf Jauhar <althelix at gmail.com> <althelix at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [ubuntu-my] Bringing Ubuntu and open source to Malaysians
To: Malaysian Team Mailing List <ubuntu-my at lists.ubuntu.com>
<ubuntu-my at lists.ubuntu.com>
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ubuntu-my should be working under bigger malaysian user groups such as
MyPenguin99. Alot of users under the group are ubuntu users... splitting
into another group is not good. we need to coperate and team up to
create a larger group. devide and we'll fall. combine and we'll grow.

ahh... zarul..... you should just continue to be the leader... a person
who started it should be the leader... coz you have the real spirit and
understand the true meaning of creating the group in the first place.

btw, we should not fight 'microsoft' anymore..... it is more like linux
and microsoft will co-exist whether we like it or not. microsoft have
been doing alot of changes lately... and one of it is to 'accept' linux
and oss. that's why if you see projects like mono have not yet been
'banned' from the scene.

honestly, i'm not a fulltime ubuntu nerd.. i'm more of a slackware nerd.
but, i think ubuntu is cool and is the best thing a non-geek can get his
or her hands on - if he/she wants to give linux a try. he'll/she'll be
running linux in no time.. and enjoying it. 1 more thing, it must not
just be ubuntu. it should be including all its variant: kubuntu,
edubuntu, xubuntu.... coz not all ppl will like gnome (i'm a xfce and
kde guy myself).

ok. thats all for now.

regards,
he]ix.



zarul shahrin wrote:

> How sad, I think I am no longer have heart for the community, I am
> proud that I founded the group and built it from zero, well, we might
> not be as active as the group from other countries but getting this
> far is already beyond my expectation. Anyway, this group is getting
> bigger I will let people who are more active like  Nicholas, mypapit
> and e-jat to take over the leadership. I want to see the community
> grow, I really want to lead the group , but for the past 1-2 years
> when the group is getting bigger,I realized that I am holding a
> different ideology than many people that make my objective for the
> group is something not relevant. I don't think many people will agree
> with me.
>
> So I think the best way is for me to pass the leadership to others. I
> am sorry that I am failing some of you here, but when I founded the
> group, I wasn't dreaming having a big community and make profit from
> it. I did it because I fell in love of Ubuntu and back then it wasn't
> as famous as now and people contribute as they like, no commitment and
> nobody will force anyone to do anything, it's a free community in a
> free cyber world, but things changed... Nothing is free anymore, the
> community has adopted a businessman way of thinking. Open Source is no
> longer something you do for fun in your free time. It has become a
> business where you need to be fully committed. Well, it's true this
> way of thinking will give you the chance to profit from it. But,
> that's against my belief, the open source religion which I once was a
> devoted follower. Things changed, I don't want to be the barrier to
> anyone with my narrow mindedness.
>
> I am not putting away the principle that I've been upholding, I built
> the group, no matter how bad/suck I am as a leader, I have achieved
> what I wanted, to take it from nothing to where It is now, though some
> might claim that I did nothing. But it's now no longer relevant to
> me... The group is no longer my group , the group is no longer
> carrying the same teaching of a religion that I was once a follower.
>
> I wish the people who will take over the leadership will take care of
> the group well, we might have a different ideology, but I will still
> give my support at least as an ex-follower of the so called free
> software movement, a religion which is no longer valid to me. I wish
> you guys all the best, and I would like to apologize for anything bad
> I have done. I believe you guys will be able to give a new light to
> the group with your style of leadership and I hope that everyone will
> learn something from my mistake as a leader. Nicholas, thank you for
> being with me from day one. I was hoping that you will take over the
> leadership, but I understand that you have your own commitment.
>
> As for the rest of you, thank you for supporting Ubuntu Malaysia and
> for making it where it is now.
>
>
> p/s: I will send an email out to some of you guys in few days time
> regarding the leadership of the group.
>
>
> Zarul
>
> On Wed, Jun 18, 2008 at 11:22 PM, Donald P Kong <dpkong at pc.jaring.my
> <mailto:dpkong at pc.jaring.my> <dpkong at pc.jaring.my>> wrote:
>
>     there is no shortage of people trying to make money from
>     open-source...
>
>     what are your plans? can you not share them here? or are you here to
>     scour for ideas and implement them in your own time to your own
>     benefit?
>
>     we have many groups scattered around Malaysia who are actively
>     promoting
>     open-source and Ubuntu for free. while monetary returns would be
>     desirable, it should not be the main driving factor.
>
>     nevertheless, i would be happy to listen to your proposals to
>     encourage
>     the usage of open-source and Ubuntu.
>
>
>
>
>     On Wed, 2008-06-18 at 16:09 +0800, Pepper Lim wrote:
>     > I'm not sure if I'm going about this correctly. I couldn't find the
>     > rules for posting at
>     https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-my
>     > so forgive me if this posting is inappropriate.
>     >
>     > I've been thinking of a plan to bring Ubuntu and open source
>     software to
>     > Malaysians and Malaysian companies. It comprises of a business plan
>     > (making money while we have fun kicking Microsoft's butt) and a few
>     > other ideas.
>     >
>     > I would be interested to meet anyone else who would like to
>     brainstorm
>     > this idea. Please email me at pepperlim at 3people.org
>     <mailto:pepperlim at 3people.org> <pepperlim at 3people.org> or call me at
>     > 012-2951245
>     >
>     > --
>     > --
>     > Pepper Lim
>     > 012-2951245
>     > pepperlim at 3people.org <mailto:pepperlim at 3people.org> <pepperlim at 3people.org>
>     > Pepper's "Lim Family Tree" http://www.3people.org/limfamilytree
>     > BBBS Old Boys' Association website http://www.3people.org/bbbssoba
>     >
>     >
>     --
>
>     -------%%@
>
>     Donald P Kong
>     +6019-887-7337
>     +6016-809-7227
>
>     http://nanasbarat.dyndns.org
>     http://www.foss-solutions.com
>     http://www.kuchingosc.org
>
>
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Message: 5
Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2008 18:02:51 +0800
From: Pepper Lim <pepperlim at 3people.org> <pepperlim at 3people.org>
Subject: Re: [ubuntu-my] Ubuntu-my Digest, Vol 18, Issue 3
To: ubuntu-my at lists.ubuntu.com
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Thanks for the early responses. I'll wait another day for anyone else
who might want to brainstorm with us.

Just to give you some idea of what I have in mind, we will be making
money. Oh, yes, money making is a big part of my plans. I've come to the
conclusion that without money, we can't put this plan out effectively.
Anyway, I got the idea from Mark Shuttleworth...


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> Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2008 16:09:04 +0800
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> I'm not sure if I'm going about this correctly. I couldn't find the
> rules for posting at https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-my
> so forgive me if this posting is inappropriate.
>
> I've been thinking of a plan to bring Ubuntu and open source software to
> Malaysians and Malaysian companies. It comprises of a business plan
> (making money while we have fun kicking Microsoft's butt) and a few
> other ideas.
>
> I would be interested to meet anyone else who would like to brainstorm
> this idea. Please email me at pepperlim at 3people.org or call me at
> 012-2951245
>
>


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