[ubuntu-my] Ubuntu-my Digest, Vol 18, Issue 5

Ong hean kuan mysurface at gmail.com
Fri Jun 20 02:53:34 BST 2008


On Fri, Jun 20, 2008 at 9:29 PM, Syamsul Anuar <anuar at vastalux.com.my>
wrote:

> Salam / Greetings All,
>
> Zarul, Thanks for all your contribution and we respect your decision.
> Its time for the new leadership to take your legacy and move forward the
> Ubuntu Malaysia community towards better tomorrow.
>
> I for one suggest there should be an election for new leadership,
> complete with some campaigning as I think the Malaysia general public
> nowadays dont embrace "peralihan kuasa" (read: something got to do with
> Pak Lah.. ) but a fair and democratic constitution is the way forward.


When is Ubuntu Malaysia Community have something to do with politics?

>
>
> I will always lend my support to my beloved Linux Community.
>
> Regards,
> -wariola-
>
> On Thu, 2008-06-19 at 17:10 +0100, ubuntu-my-request at lists.ubuntu.com
> wrote:
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> > Today's Topics:
> >
> >    1. Re:  Bringing Ubuntu and open source to Malaysians (Donald P Kong)
> >    2. Re:  Ubuntu-my Digest, Vol 18, Issue 4 (Pepper Lim)
> >    3. Re:  Bringing Ubuntu and open source to Malaysians (Nicholas Ng)
> >
> >
> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 1
> > Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2008 19:07:48 +0800
> > From: Donald P Kong <dpkong at pc.jaring.my>
> > Subject: Re: [ubuntu-my] Bringing Ubuntu and open source to Malaysians
> > To: Malaysian Team Mailing List <ubuntu-my at lists.ubuntu.com>
> > Message-ID: <1213873668.5988.16.camel at thinkpad-x61>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
> >
> > Zarul,
> >
> > ?it is sad to see you go. hopefully, you will re-consider your
> > stand. ?maybe it would help for you to know that not all in this group
> > are merely opportunists looking to make a buck out of Linux. i hope that
> > would make you remain as the leader.
> >
> > ubuntu-my is not the only list suffering "commercialisation" issues. as
> > i see it, most people join this and any other linux communities to look
> > for opportunities and answers. once they get their answer or see no
> > money to be made, they move on. few are willing to contribute in helping
> > others which is what the FLOSS is all about. in our own local
> > activities, it is nearly impossible to get volunteers to show up.
> >
> > most malaysians see Linux as a big chance to make money since it is in
> > demand and as long as potential customers cannot find alternative
> > sources of assistance, they're locked into one vendor thereby ensuring
> > continued income.
> >
> >
> > Altaf,
> >
> > ubuntu-my is a community of Ubuntu users and would be targeted
> > specifically at ubuntu users. i don't quite understand the suggestion of
> > "working under a bigger malaysian user group". i would believe most of
> > the members here are also members in other general linux groups as well.
> >
> > i agree that Linux users should not be "fighting" Microsoft. instead we
> > should concentrate on promoting the usage of Linux on desktops. the only
> > way that we can effectively do this if we were users ourselves. only
> > then can we know the downside of Linux and how to work around it. then
> > in time, new users will realise how much better Linux is and then make
> > their choice.
> >
> > personally, i am a Debian user but my mother, wife and children's
> > computers/laptops are using Ubuntu. it is a much more "friendlier" and
> > "easier" Linux to promote.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Thu, 2008-06-19 at 08:32 +0800, Altaf Jauhar wrote:
> > > ubuntu-my should be working under bigger malaysian user groups such as
> > > MyPenguin99. Alot of users under the group are ubuntu users...
> splitting
> > > into another group is not good. we need to coperate and team up to
> > > create a larger group. devide and we'll fall. combine and we'll grow.
> > >
> > > ahh... zarul..... you should just continue to be the leader... a person
> > > who started it should be the leader... coz you have the real spirit and
> > > understand the true meaning of creating the group in the first place.
> > >
> > > btw, we should not fight 'microsoft' anymore..... it is more like linux
> > > and microsoft will co-exist whether we like it or not. microsoft have
> > > been doing alot of changes lately... and one of it is to 'accept' linux
> > > and oss. that's why if you see projects like mono have not yet been
> > > 'banned' from the scene.
> > >
> > > honestly, i'm not a fulltime ubuntu nerd.. i'm more of a slackware
> nerd.
> > > but, i think ubuntu is cool and is the best thing a non-geek can get
> his
> > > or her hands on - if he/she wants to give linux a try. he'll/she'll be
> > > running linux in no time.. and enjoying it. 1 more thing, it must not
> > > just be ubuntu. it should be including all its variant: kubuntu,
> > > edubuntu, xubuntu.... coz not all ppl will like gnome (i'm a xfce and
> > > kde guy myself).
> > >
> > > ok. thats all for now.
> > >
> > > regards,
> > > he]ix.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > zarul shahrin wrote:
> > > > How sad, I think I am no longer have heart for the community, I am
> > > > proud that I founded the group and built it from zero, well, we might
> > > > not be as active as the group from other countries but getting this
> > > > far is already beyond my expectation. Anyway, this group is getting
> > > > bigger I will let people who are more active like  Nicholas, mypapit
> > > > and e-jat to take over the leadership. I want to see the community
> > > > grow, I really want to lead the group , but for the past 1-2 years
> > > > when the group is getting bigger,I realized that I am holding a
> > > > different ideology than many people that make my objective for the
> > > > group is something not relevant. I don't think many people will agree
> > > > with me.
> > > >
> > > > So I think the best way is for me to pass the leadership to others. I
> > > > am sorry that I am failing some of you here, but when I founded the
> > > > group, I wasn't dreaming having a big community and make profit from
> > > > it. I did it because I fell in love of Ubuntu and back then it wasn't
> > > > as famous as now and people contribute as they like, no commitment
> and
> > > > nobody will force anyone to do anything, it's a free community in a
> > > > free cyber world, but things changed... Nothing is free anymore, the
> > > > community has adopted a businessman way of thinking. Open Source is
> no
> > > > longer something you do for fun in your free time. It has become a
> > > > business where you need to be fully committed. Well, it's true this
> > > > way of thinking will give you the chance to profit from it. But,
> > > > that's against my belief, the open source religion which I once was a
> > > > devoted follower. Things changed, I don't want to be the barrier to
> > > > anyone with my narrow mindedness.
> > > >
> > > > I am not putting away the principle that I've been upholding, I built
> > > > the group, no matter how bad/suck I am as a leader, I have achieved
> > > > what I wanted, to take it from nothing to where It is now, though
> some
> > > > might claim that I did nothing. But it's now no longer relevant to
> > > > me... The group is no longer my group , the group is no longer
> > > > carrying the same teaching of a religion that I was once a follower.
> > > >
> > > > I wish the people who will take over the leadership will take care of
> > > > the group well, we might have a different ideology, but I will still
> > > > give my support at least as an ex-follower of the so called free
> > > > software movement, a religion which is no longer valid to me. I wish
> > > > you guys all the best, and I would like to apologize for anything bad
> > > > I have done. I believe you guys will be able to give a new light to
> > > > the group with your style of leadership and I hope that everyone will
> > > > learn something from my mistake as a leader. Nicholas, thank you for
> > > > being with me from day one. I was hoping that you will take over the
> > > > leadership, but I understand that you have your own commitment.
> > > >
> > > > As for the rest of you, thank you for supporting Ubuntu Malaysia and
> > > > for making it where it is now.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > p/s: I will send an email out to some of you guys in few days time
> > > > regarding the leadership of the group.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Zarul
> > > >
> > > > On Wed, Jun 18, 2008 at 11:22 PM, Donald P Kong <dpkong at pc.jaring.my
> > > > <mailto:dpkong at pc.jaring.my>> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >     there is no shortage of people trying to make money from
> > > >     open-source...
> > > >
> > > >     what are your plans? can you not share them here? or are you here
> to
> > > >     scour for ideas and implement them in your own time to your own
> > > >     benefit?
> > > >
> > > >     we have many groups scattered around Malaysia who are actively
> > > >     promoting
> > > >     open-source and Ubuntu for free. while monetary returns would be
> > > >     desirable, it should not be the main driving factor.
> > > >
> > > >     nevertheless, i would be happy to listen to your proposals to
> > > >     encourage
> > > >     the usage of open-source and Ubuntu.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >     On Wed, 2008-06-18 at 16:09 +0800, Pepper Lim wrote:
> > > >     > I'm not sure if I'm going about this correctly. I couldn't find
> the
> > > >     > rules for posting at
> > > >     https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-my
> > > >     > so forgive me if this posting is inappropriate.
> > > >     >
> > > >     > I've been thinking of a plan to bring Ubuntu and open source
> > > >     software to
> > > >     > Malaysians and Malaysian companies. It comprises of a business
> plan
> > > >     > (making money while we have fun kicking Microsoft's butt) and a
> few
> > > >     > other ideas.
> > > >     >
> > > >     > I would be interested to meet anyone else who would like to
> > > >     brainstorm
> > > >     > this idea. Please email me at pepperlim at 3people.org
> > > >     <mailto:pepperlim at 3people.org> or call me at
> > > >     > 012-2951245
> > > >     >
> > > >     > --
> > > >     > --
> > > >     > Pepper Lim
> > > >     > 012-2951245
> > > >     > pepperlim at 3people.org <mailto:pepperlim at 3people.org>
> > > >     > Pepper's "Lim Family Tree"
> http://www.3people.org/limfamilytree
> > > >     > BBBS Old Boys' Association website
> http://www.3people.org/bbbssoba
> > > >     >
> > > >     >
> > > >     --
> > > >
> > > >     -------%%@
> > > >
> > > >     Donald P Kong
> > > >     +6019-887-7337
> > > >     +6016-809-7227
> > > >
> > > >     http://nanasbarat.dyndns.org
> > > >     http://www.foss-solutions.com
> > > >     http://www.kuchingosc.org
> > > >
> > > >
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> >
> > -------%%@
> >
> > Donald P Kong
> > +6019-887-7337
> > +6016-809-7227
> >
> > http://nanasbarat.dyndns.org
> > http://www.foss-solutions.com
> > http://www.kuchingosc.org
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 2
> > Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2008 19:15:15 +0800
> > From: Pepper Lim <pepperlim at 3people.org>
> > Subject: Re: [ubuntu-my] Ubuntu-my Digest, Vol 18, Issue 4
> > To: ubuntu-my at lists.ubuntu.com
> > Message-ID: <485A3FC3.5000905 at 3people.org>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
> >
> > After reading Zarul's post, I felt very compelled to share my ideas
> > immediately. I hope you will take some time to read this.
> >
> > I'm all for open source software and keeping software free (as in free
> > beer) forever. But I read an interesting interview with Mark
> > Shuttleworth where he describes plans to make Canonical profitable in
> > order to pay the core staff who will work on Ubuntu. When I read that, I
> > suddenly understood how Ubuntu could be free for you and me. It is free
> > because Canonical is "paying" for it. You can see a list of commercial
> > services by Canonical here http://www.canonical.com/services
> >
> > This is similar to the "problem with paying for water" - water is given
> > by God so it should be free. So why is Syabas charging us for it?! Well,
> > the answer is simple: Syabas builds the dams to store the water, they
> > clean the water, they build the pipes to bring water to house etc. In
> > short, we are paying for their service. I am applying the same concept
> > to my idea.
> >
> > In a nutshell, my plan is to turn a profit as we promote Ubuntu to small
> > and medium businesses. I see it as a win-win situation. We get some
> > payment (service fee) to keep a core staff who in turn will provide
> > support (service) to our customers. Customers on the other hand get free
> > software (Ubuntu) and terrific service, tech support, software training
> > etc. from our staff.
> >
> > Just a quick glance: it costs about RM2400++ to install Windows XP, MS
> > Office, Norton AV, Nero 7 and WinZip Pro on 1 (one) PC. 10 PCs in a
> > medium company will mean RM24,000 on software alone! The cost goes up to
> > RM6300++ if Photoshop and Illustrator is installed too. I thought, why
> > not charge a small fraction of that and convince the small and medium
> > companies to switch to Ubuntu. Many companies are still using pirated
> > software that are unable to receive software updates. So rather than
> > risk having BSA come knocking on their doors, we will convert them to
> > Ubuntu users.
> >
> > We will need to overcome the following problems:
> >
> >    1. Wrong perception - people view free stuff as lousy, poor support,
> >       here-today-gone-tomorrow.
> >    2. Difficult to use - people are usually resistant to change.
> >    3. BSA won't raid them - judging by the events unfolding in the USA,
> >       Britain etc. it won't be long before they really do
> come-a-knocking!
> >
> > If all goes well, Malaysia's Ubuntu community can stand proud with the
> > best Ubuntu communities from around the world. I hope you continue your
> > struggle with us, brother Zarul.
> >
> >
> >
> > ubuntu-my-request at lists.ubuntu.com wrote:
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> > > Today's Topics:
> > >
> > >    1. Re:  Bringing Ubuntu and open source to Malaysians (Tho Man)
> > >    2. Re:  Bringing Ubuntu and open source to Malaysians (Donald P
> Kong)
> > >    3. Re:  Bringing Ubuntu and open source to Malaysians (zarul
> shahrin)
> > >    4. Re:  Bringing Ubuntu and open source to Malaysians (Altaf Jauhar)
> > >    5. Re:  Ubuntu-my Digest, Vol 18, Issue 3 (Pepper Lim)
> > >
> > >
> > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> > >
> > > Message: 1
> > > Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2008 22:32:53 +0800
> > > From: "Tho Man" <shuhaimie at gmail.com>
> > > Subject: Re: [ubuntu-my] Bringing Ubuntu and open source to Malaysians
> > > To: "Malaysian Team Mailing List" <ubuntu-my at lists.ubuntu.com>
> > > Message-ID:
> > >     <9ce5212a0806180732u184af83dr199cef09a86762df at mail.gmail.com>
> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
> > >
> > > this would be nice....i like to join but my time is limited....may be
> we can
> > > have a brainstorming online how we can tap a market on this.
> > > why not start a google group and we can discuss bout this...
> > > make money is always something good to me..hehehehe...
> > >
> > > On Wed, Jun 18, 2008 at 4:09 PM, Pepper Lim <pepperlim at 3people.org>
> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >> I'm not sure if I'm going about this correctly. I couldn't find the
> > >> rules for posting at
> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-my
> > >> so forgive me if this posting is inappropriate.
> > >>
> > >> I've been thinking of a plan to bring Ubuntu and open source software
> to
> > >> Malaysians and Malaysian companies. It comprises of a business plan
> > >> (making money while we have fun kicking Microsoft's butt) and a few
> > >> other ideas.
> > >>
> > >> I would be interested to meet anyone else who would like to brainstorm
> > >> this idea. Please email me at pepperlim at 3people.org or call me at
> > >> 012-2951245
> > >>
> > >> --
> > >> --
> > >> Pepper Lim
> > >> 012-2951245
> > >> pepperlim at 3people.org
> > >> Pepper's "Lim Family Tree" http://www.3people.org/limfamilytree
> > >> BBBS Old Boys' Association website http://www.3people.org/bbbssoba
> > >>
> > >>
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> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> > --
> > --
> > Pepper Lim
> > 012-2951245
> > pepperlim at 3people.org
> > Pepper's "Lim Family Tree" http://www.3people.org/limfamilytree
> > BBBS Old Boys' Association website http://www.3people.org/bbbssoba
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> > Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2008 00:09:55 +0800
> > From: "Nicholas Ng" <nbliang at gmail.com>
> > Subject: Re: [ubuntu-my] Bringing Ubuntu and open source to Malaysians
> > To: "Malaysian Team Mailing List" <ubuntu-my at lists.ubuntu.com>
> > Message-ID:
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> >
> > Zarul,
> >
> > Seems like there are still many members that want you to stay. :-) And
> > I also believe so that you should stay, although we have talked about
> > it personally. Other members such as mypapit, sumardi, e-jat, fenris
> > and the rest of the team are doing a great job in keeping the
> > community moving (organizing meetups, etc) and we should thanks them
> > for that.
> >
> > The community is started by you and lead by you, and always this is
> > the way although sometimes we faced difficulties and have different
> > thinking / way of doing things but we can discussed and applied the
> > take-and-give approach to settle the issues. I personally hope that
> > you remain as the lead and the rest of us will keep it moving,
> > although you may be busy with your work and own commitment.
> >
> > Altaf,
> >
> > The reason why Ubuntu Malaysia exist is because we want to have a
> > dedicated local community for Ubuntu. Ubuntu Malaysia can be a subset
> > of the bigger group but as I mentioned it is mainly for Ubuntu Linux
> > and not Novell's SUSE or Red Hat or other distro, so it is better to
> > stay as a single entity but with good collaboration / link to other
> > communities.
> >
> > Pepper Lim,
> >
> > Your idea is good where we should generate some income for the
> > community (and I hope is not for own purpose) so that we can have more
> > funded activities as well as organizing bigger project such as our own
> > Malaysia's Ubuntu ShipIt effort. :-P But, I am with Donald and Zarul
> > where our ideology on FLOSS is not on business side. I do not against
> > your intention and will be supporting your effort to push the adoption
> > of Ubuntu to local companies. :-)
> >
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Nicholas Ng
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 7:07 PM, Donald P Kong <dpkong at pc.jaring.my>
> wrote:
> > > Zarul,
> > >
> > > ?it is sad to see you go. hopefully, you will re-consider your
> > > stand. ?maybe it would help for you to know that not all in this group
> > > are merely opportunists looking to make a buck out of Linux. i hope
> that
> > > would make you remain as the leader.
> > >
> > > ubuntu-my is not the only list suffering "commercialisation" issues. as
> > > i see it, most people join this and any other linux communities to look
> > > for opportunities and answers. once they get their answer or see no
> > > money to be made, they move on. few are willing to contribute in
> helping
> > > others which is what the FLOSS is all about. in our own local
> > > activities, it is nearly impossible to get volunteers to show up.
> > >
> > > most malaysians see Linux as a big chance to make money since it is in
> > > demand and as long as potential customers cannot find alternative
> > > sources of assistance, they're locked into one vendor thereby ensuring
> > > continued income.
> > >
> > >
> > > Altaf,
> > >
> > > ubuntu-my is a community of Ubuntu users and would be targeted
> > > specifically at ubuntu users. i don't quite understand the suggestion
> of
> > > "working under a bigger malaysian user group". i would believe most of
> > > the members here are also members in other general linux groups as
> well.
> > >
> > > i agree that Linux users should not be "fighting" Microsoft. instead we
> > > should concentrate on promoting the usage of Linux on desktops. the
> only
> > > way that we can effectively do this if we were users ourselves. only
> > > then can we know the downside of Linux and how to work around it. then
> > > in time, new users will realise how much better Linux is and then make
> > > their choice.
> > >
> > > personally, i am a Debian user but my mother, wife and children's
> > > computers/laptops are using Ubuntu. it is a much more "friendlier" and
> > > "easier" Linux to promote.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Thu, 2008-06-19 at 08:32 +0800, Altaf Jauhar wrote:
> > >> ubuntu-my should be working under bigger malaysian user groups such as
> > >> MyPenguin99. Alot of users under the group are ubuntu users...
> splitting
> > >> into another group is not good. we need to coperate and team up to
> > >> create a larger group. devide and we'll fall. combine and we'll grow.
> > >>
> > >> ahh... zarul..... you should just continue to be the leader... a
> person
> > >> who started it should be the leader... coz you have the real spirit
> and
> > >> understand the true meaning of creating the group in the first place.
> > >>
> > >> btw, we should not fight 'microsoft' anymore..... it is more like
> linux
> > >> and microsoft will co-exist whether we like it or not. microsoft have
> > >> been doing alot of changes lately... and one of it is to 'accept'
> linux
> > >> and oss. that's why if you see projects like mono have not yet been
> > >> 'banned' from the scene.
> > >>
> > >> honestly, i'm not a fulltime ubuntu nerd.. i'm more of a slackware
> nerd.
> > >> but, i think ubuntu is cool and is the best thing a non-geek can get
> his
> > >> or her hands on - if he/she wants to give linux a try. he'll/she'll be
> > >> running linux in no time.. and enjoying it. 1 more thing, it must not
> > >> just be ubuntu. it should be including all its variant: kubuntu,
> > >> edubuntu, xubuntu.... coz not all ppl will like gnome (i'm a xfce and
> > >> kde guy myself).
> > >>
> > >> ok. thats all for now.
> > >>
> > >> regards,
> > >> he]ix.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> zarul shahrin wrote:
> > >> > How sad, I think I am no longer have heart for the community, I am
> > >> > proud that I founded the group and built it from zero, well, we
> might
> > >> > not be as active as the group from other countries but getting this
> > >> > far is already beyond my expectation. Anyway, this group is getting
> > >> > bigger I will let people who are more active like  Nicholas, mypapit
> > >> > and e-jat to take over the leadership. I want to see the community
> > >> > grow, I really want to lead the group , but for the past 1-2 years
> > >> > when the group is getting bigger,I realized that I am holding a
> > >> > different ideology than many people that make my objective for the
> > >> > group is something not relevant. I don't think many people will
> agree
> > >> > with me.
> > >> >
> > >> > So I think the best way is for me to pass the leadership to others.
> I
> > >> > am sorry that I am failing some of you here, but when I founded the
> > >> > group, I wasn't dreaming having a big community and make profit from
> > >> > it. I did it because I fell in love of Ubuntu and back then it
> wasn't
> > >> > as famous as now and people contribute as they like, no commitment
> and
> > >> > nobody will force anyone to do anything, it's a free community in a
> > >> > free cyber world, but things changed... Nothing is free anymore, the
> > >> > community has adopted a businessman way of thinking. Open Source is
> no
> > >> > longer something you do for fun in your free time. It has become a
> > >> > business where you need to be fully committed. Well, it's true this
> > >> > way of thinking will give you the chance to profit from it. But,
> > >> > that's against my belief, the open source religion which I once was
> a
> > >> > devoted follower. Things changed, I don't want to be the barrier to
> > >> > anyone with my narrow mindedness.
> > >> >
> > >> > I am not putting away the principle that I've been upholding, I
> built
> > >> > the group, no matter how bad/suck I am as a leader, I have achieved
> > >> > what I wanted, to take it from nothing to where It is now, though
> some
> > >> > might claim that I did nothing. But it's now no longer relevant to
> > >> > me... The group is no longer my group , the group is no longer
> > >> > carrying the same teaching of a religion that I was once a follower.
> > >> >
> > >> > I wish the people who will take over the leadership will take care
> of
> > >> > the group well, we might have a different ideology, but I will still
> > >> > give my support at least as an ex-follower of the so called free
> > >> > software movement, a religion which is no longer valid to me. I wish
> > >> > you guys all the best, and I would like to apologize for anything
> bad
> > >> > I have done. I believe you guys will be able to give a new light to
> > >> > the group with your style of leadership and I hope that everyone
> will
> > >> > learn something from my mistake as a leader. Nicholas, thank you for
> > >> > being with me from day one. I was hoping that you will take over the
> > >> > leadership, but I understand that you have your own commitment.
> > >> >
> > >> > As for the rest of you, thank you for supporting Ubuntu Malaysia and
> > >> > for making it where it is now.
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > p/s: I will send an email out to some of you guys in few days time
> > >> > regarding the leadership of the group.
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > Zarul
> > >> >
> > >> > On Wed, Jun 18, 2008 at 11:22 PM, Donald P Kong <
> dpkong at pc.jaring.my
> > >> > <mailto:dpkong at pc.jaring.my>> wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> >     there is no shortage of people trying to make money from
> > >> >     open-source...
> > >> >
> > >> >     what are your plans? can you not share them here? or are you
> here to
> > >> >     scour for ideas and implement them in your own time to your own
> > >> >     benefit?
> > >> >
> > >> >     we have many groups scattered around Malaysia who are actively
> > >> >     promoting
> > >> >     open-source and Ubuntu for free. while monetary returns would be
> > >> >     desirable, it should not be the main driving factor.
> > >> >
> > >> >     nevertheless, i would be happy to listen to your proposals to
> > >> >     encourage
> > >> >     the usage of open-source and Ubuntu.
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >     On Wed, 2008-06-18 at 16:09 +0800, Pepper Lim wrote:
> > >> >     > I'm not sure if I'm going about this correctly. I couldn't
> find the
> > >> >     > rules for posting at
> > >> >     https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-my
> > >> >     > so forgive me if this posting is inappropriate.
> > >> >     >
> > >> >     > I've been thinking of a plan to bring Ubuntu and open source
> > >> >     software to
> > >> >     > Malaysians and Malaysian companies. It comprises of a business
> plan
> > >> >     > (making money while we have fun kicking Microsoft's butt) and
> a few
> > >> >     > other ideas.
> > >> >     >
> > >> >     > I would be interested to meet anyone else who would like to
> > >> >     brainstorm
> > >> >     > this idea. Please email me at pepperlim at 3people.org
> > >> >     <mailto:pepperlim at 3people.org> or call me at
> > >> >     > 012-2951245
> > >> >     >
> > >> >     > --
> > >> >     > --
> > >> >     > Pepper Lim
> > >> >     > 012-2951245
> > >> >     > pepperlim at 3people.org <mailto:pepperlim at 3people.org>
> > >> >     > Pepper's "Lim Family Tree"
> http://www.3people.org/limfamilytree
> > >> >     > BBBS Old Boys' Association website
> http://www.3people.org/bbbssoba
> > >> >     >
> > >> >     >
> > >> >     --
> > >> >
> > >> >     -------%%@
> > >> >
> > >> >     Donald P Kong
> > >> >     +6019-887-7337
> > >> >     +6016-809-7227
> > >> >
> > >> >     http://nanasbarat.dyndns.org
> > >> >     http://www.foss-solutions.com
> > >> >     http://www.kuchingosc.org
> > >> >
> > >> >
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> > >>
> > > --
> > >
> > > -------%%@
> > >
> > > Donald P Kong
> > > +6019-887-7337
> > > +6016-809-7227
> > >
> > > http://nanasbarat.dyndns.org
> > > http://www.foss-solutions.com
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> > >
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