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participate from their development as they participate from
us. And such a push service is always better for us than constantly
monitoring what they do.

> For the past couple of weeks while you guys have been cleaning up the fx
> and tb code, I have been working on improving our relationships with
> both our up and downstreams.
> 
> Currently, [Lin|Free]spire is a derivative of Debian.  Starting with
> their next release they will be deriving from Ubuntu.
> 
> One of the problems that I see our team having (as well as being a open
> problem in general) is our tendency to do our own thing.
> 
> When talking with upstreams, I have been getting pretty poor responses.
> Mostly they are saying, "You guys are so fragmented, your market share
> is so small that we can't be bothered by you."  As a result it is going
> to be difficult to push patches and coordinate with their issue tracking
> systems.

Which upstreams did you already approach and received bad feedback?

 - Alexander