ubuntu-tweak in new

[LI Daobing]

On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 23:02, Stephan Hermann <sh at sourcecode.de> wrote:
> On Thu, 2010-08-05 at 22:50 +0800, LI Daobing wrote:
>> On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 22:39, Scott Kitterman <ubuntu at kitterman.com> wrote:
>> > On Thursday, August 05, 2010 10:21:41 am LI Daobing wrote:
>> >> it's somehow different, for example, the amule ppa shipped with
>> >> ubuntu-tweak has DLP function, which is important for us.
>> >
>> > Can this be added to the amule package in Ubuntu?
>>
>> I don't know why this patch does not exist in amule package in Ubuntu,
>> maybe it makes amule more unstable? but for someone (like me), DLP is
>> important, without DLP, amule totally does not work (it will only
>> upload, but never download). I can bare the crash problem with it, so
>> I choose DLP. but maybe some other think the patch is not perfect, or
>> just he don't like the patch, so he refuse it.
>
> So, if this is really a "showstopper" for amule, why doesn't someone fix
> the patch to let it not crash, then add it to a wishlist bug and ask for
> adding?

this is just an example, many program provide many compile options and
many patches, and ubuntu only provided one combination for it.

another example for me, when emacs want to display a char, first he
should detect the charset of this char. but in this program, japanese
is always preferred than chinese. And japanese and chinese share many
symbols in unicode, but with much different glyph[1]. so when I open a
txt file in chinese, some char is displayed in japanese fonts with
"wrong" glyph, some others in chinese fonts. I write a patch for this
problem, which make chinese is preferred than japanese. this patch
works fine for me and other emacs users in chinese, but it will not
(and should not) be accepted in Ubuntu.

[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Han_unification#Examples_of_language_dependent_characters

The previous is just another example. there is not only one user base
in Ubuntu. there are some many user base in Ubuntu. they have
different requirement. PPA can resolve this problem. that's why PPA in
launchpad is used by more and more people.

for the problem of amule, I don't follow this bug, but I think you can
check it at http://goo.gl/WxGo.



>
>
>>
>> >
>> >> it also provide some snapshot version program (just like gcc-snapshot
>> >> which already in ubuntu).
>> >
>> > No.  gcc-snapshot is IN Ubuntu.  These PPAs are not.
>>
>> I mean someone need snapshot version of these programs (such as
>> snapshot version of vlc, opera, chromium, etc), just like the ubuntu
>> people need the snapshot version of gcc.
>
> I don't think that many people of Ubuntu use gcc-snapshot on a daily
> basis.
>
> More likely is that the standard ubuntu user doesn't even care about
> gcc-snapshot, as many of our userbase are not caring about "newer"
> versions of packages.

we have many different userbases.

>
> If they care, they could enable the backports repository and/or ask for
> backports of current developement release packages (e.g. from maverick
> to lucid).
>
> Users who are reading "marketing statements like" "install this, you
> will get newer versions and blablabla", will exactly do that, and they
> will whine when they try to upgrade from there release to the next.
>
> We had that in the past, and this will happen with unreflected usage of
> tools like this. (Please read the threads about Automatix and Friends in
> the past...google have references)
>

Aron Xu has talked many about this.

thanks.



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Best Regards
LI Daobing