Non-MOTU as MOTU Mentors and bad advice

Michael Casadevall sonicmctails at
Tue Nov 11 04:23:47 GMT 2008

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I was also unaware that UCDs are allowed to be mentors, and this seems
very very wrong for me. If this is actually the case, I feel that we
need to change it so only MOTU or greater can be mentors. Jaunty is in
really not usable at all for day to day work, unless your willing to
deal with loads of breakage, just yesterday we had a bug (resolved
now) that would cause pulseaudio to be uninstalled if you tried to


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On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 10:39 PM, Scott Kitterman <ubuntu at> wrote:
> I will confess that I don't pay as much attention to the Mentors program as I
> probably should.  I had no idea we were allowing people who weren't MOTU to
> act formally as mentors.
> This is a stunningly bad idea and should stop.  I just finished trying to help
> a novice mentee who was trying to upgrade his system to Jaunty because his
> mentor told him too.
> Unless you really know what you are doing, running Jaunty right now is
> insanity.  It's also completely unnecessary to learn and do packaging work
> for Jaunty.
> The individual is an UCD, and I suspect that is the basis on which it was
> considered appropriate.  This is a complete misuse of UCD.  UCD is a measure
> of community participation and involvement.  There is no particular technical
> expertise needed to be a UCD.
> I know there aren't enough mentors, but I seriously think no mentor is better
> than one who doesn't know what he's doing.
> I'm not sure if this needs a policy decision at a MOTU meeting to change.  If
> it does, consider this the starting gun for the discussion.
> Scott K
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