Future of REVU and Debian Mentors

Charlie cjsmo at cableone.net
Mon Jul 30 10:41:49 BST 2007

Bram Neijt wrote:
> Hi all,
> Wether joining REVU and Debian Mentors is a good idea or not, I
> can't say. However, I can tell you that I don't like the
> "everything through mail" approach debian has. When I'm getting
> help on packaging, I like the fact that IRC and REVU are in sync:
> if somebody says he/she posted a comment via IRC, it's there. I
> think this speed of comments is an important feature or REVU for
> eager new package developers.
Speed is only realized if a MOTU is *willing* to review your package.
If not it will just set there, and set there and set there.  As a
matter of fact I have a package in REVU right now and the last MOTU
comment is dated July 10.  And while I am up on my soap box, REVU days
are a joke, I have begged and begged and begged MOTU's to review my
package on what are suppose to be REVU days, like I said above the
last MOTU comment on my package is July 10.  So to sum up Ubuntu's
REVU way of doing things is not any better or any worse than Debian's
mail only way of doing things.

My 2c

> I hope that the next iteration of REVU will be moving from REVU to
> Launchpad and handle the debian/ parts of packages through bazaar,
> but that might be way to advanced for now.
> My 2c.
> Bram
> On 7/30/07, Jordan Mantha <mantha at ubuntu.com> wrote:
>> On 7/29/07, Scott Kitterman <ubuntu at kitterman.com> wrote:
>>> I was recently subscribed to the debian-mentors mail list
>>> (working on getting a package uploaded to Debian) and
>>> discovered that the author of the Debian Mentors system is
>>> getting ready to overhaul that system.
>>> That got me thinking...
>>> Why do REVU an mentors need to be separate?
>> A couple thoughts: 1. For a new Ubuntu contributor Debian can be
>> a quite intimidating. I remember being quite confused trying to
>> figure out *both* Ubuntu and Debian while doing my first package
>> from scratch. Of course this is also a big reason to "combine
>> forces" between REVU and debian-mentors, *if* it can be pulled
>> off. 2. There are social differences between Ubuntu and Debian as
>> well as just the technical ones. It's sometimes easier to
>> maintain our own system. We'd need to get by-in from DDs and the
>> current debian-mentors maintainers. For instance, who should be
>> allowed to review/sponsor? Most MOTUs are not DDs and vice-versa
>> so I can imagine there would be quite a bit we'd need to work
>> out.
>>> Except for versioning and release, with minor exceptions (like
>>> the freeness of GFDL) packages can be made identical for both
>>> Debian and Ubuntu.
>> There is also the issue of native Ubuntu packages. I imagine
>> Debian isn't much interested in Ubuntu-specific stuff so we still
>> need to deal with those.
>>> I could see up pooling resources on reviewing new packages and
>>> if a MOTU thought a package was ready to upload, then they
>>> could upload it and if a DD thought a package was ready, they
>>> could sponsor it.  We'd have to deal with version/release, but
>>> I'd imagine it could be programmed in.
>> This is a really interesting suggestion, in fact I don't know why
>> it hasn't been suggested before. Perhaps because it would take a
>> large amount of Debian/Ubuntu cooperation and we tend to separate
>> packages into Debian packages and Ubuntu packages. It also seems
>> to me that quite a number of contributors to REVU don't really
>> want to deal with Debian, as it is more work for a distro they
>> don't use.
>> I personally tend to think that with our resources we are better
>> off really encouraging people to put their packages through
>> Debian unless it is Ubuntu-specific. I found debian-mentors to be
>> very helpful and getting a package into Debian fairly easy, once
>> I figured out how things worked. I think working on "How does an
>> Ubuntu user/contributor get their package into Debian?" would
>> benefit MOTU/Universe. Also figuring out how to get Debian to
>> "take on" packages created by Ubuntu users. I know several cases
>> where a contributor wanted to get the package into Ubuntu rather
>> than Debian because they didn't want to be the Debian maintainer.
>> -Jordan
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