isnt the internet connection required thought to sync time with an ntp server at somepoint during the installation. i posted my idea here <a href="http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/contributor/eagles051387/ideas/">http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/contributor/eagles051387/ideas/</a> i agree the dvd should have this as an option. question though is how much space would be freed on the live cd if these programs werent included? <div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 11:43 PM, Steven Susbauer <<a href="mailto:stupendoussteve@me.com">stupendoussteve@me.com</a>> wrote: <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"><div class="im"> On Sep 24, 2009, at 7:39 AM, Jonathan Aquilina wrote: <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"> the packages dont need to be included on the live cd since during the installation process some network access is needed they could be downloaded then. </blockquote> </div> Network access is not needed during the install process. It could be used as a way to enable or disable this feature, but is never required. If space on disc were a problem, I would suggest adding it to the DVD as an advanced installation option. It would be nice if the assumption of the installer was not that you want it to function exactly like the livecd. </blockquote></div> -- Jonathan Aquilina