Mentor request

Sun Apr 5 12:49:56 BST 2009

Hello,
My name is Justin Fulcher. I would like to request a mentor. I primarily use the Ubuntu Server distro and have for some time now. I understand the basics and many concepts, however, I would like to learn and explore more advanced features of said server distribution.
Thanks for your time and consideration,
Justin Fulcher
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   1. Re: Eagle package update? (Dmitrijs Ledkovs)
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Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2009 00:54:04 +0300
From: Dmitrijs Ledkovs <dmitrij.ledkov at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Eagle package update?
To: Shashank Chintalagiri <shashank.chintalagiri at gmail.com>
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Hello

2009/4/2 Shashank Chintalagiri <shashank.chintalagiri at gmail.com>

> Hi,
>
> I'd like to point out that the Stable released Eagle version is 5.40 while
> that in the repos is 4.17r2. Is this on purpose due to some licensing
> issues, or is it just a matter of the requirement of a maintainer. If it is
> the later, I'd like to volunteer to help maintain the eagle packages (I
> might need some pointers/help in this regard, but on the whole I should be
> able to handle most of the required work)
>

I'm not that connected with the issue, but I use Eagle. Version 5.40 is
significantly different from 4.17r2 and there are a few things I personally
don't like about the newer version and a few other people I work with don't
like either. For example my university will not switch from 4.17r2 (they are
using freeware so the license cost is not an issue) and many other company's
are using v4 as well.

Second point is that Eagle is close-source software hence their packages
contain "binary" blobs as provided by the Cadsoft (is that the correct
company? got it off top of my head.)

The binaries they provide for new version work on Ubuntu just fine.

In the spirit of open-source and actually using full software (free Eagle
limits the size of the board) I've moved to gEDA suite. Which is much more
powerful for my small personal projects. Give it a spin. It's very nice the
autorouter and libraries are a bit less populated as compared with Eagle but
they are rich enough.

Your packaging willingness is welcome and is appreciated!!! I think gEDA has
a packaging team which you might want to join. Also have you thought of
doing packaging on the Debian side? They have (among others) math & science
packaging teams which you might be interested in!

>
> *Thanks
> *Shashank
>
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Dmitrijs Ledkovs (for short Dima),
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Message: 2
Date: Sat, 04 Apr 2009 18:51:52 -0700
From: Jonathan Marsden <jmarsden at fastmail.fm>
Subject: Re: Eagle package update?
To: Shashank Chintalagiri <shashank.chintalagiri at gmail.com>
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Shashank Chintalagiri wrote:

> I'd like to point out that the Stable released Eagle version is 5.40 while
> that in the repos is 4.17r2. Is this on purpose due to some licensing
> issues, or is it just a matter of the requirement of a maintainer. If it is
> the later, I'd like to volunteer to help maintain the eagle packages (I
> might need some pointers/help in this regard, but on the whole I should be
> able to handle most of the required work)

I do not think the licence for the "Light Edition" of Eagle has changed
since 4.x.  It is still binary only, and free of cost for "non-profit or
evaluation only", which is clearly a non-OSI non-DFSG compliant licence.

I'd suggest that you contact the current packager, Shaun Jackman
<sjackman at debian.org> and ask about working with him on packaging the
newer version.

If many people feel, as Dima does, that Eagle 5.x is sufficiently
"different" from 4.x, then you could consider packaging the newer one as
 (say) eagle5, leaving the current eagle packages in parallel, so that
people can choose whichever one they prefer.

If you need specific pointers/help with the actual packaging work,
asking on IRC in #ubuntu-motu is probably the best way to get good fast
help when you need it.

You should be aware that the non-free nature of Eagle means that using a
free-as-in-freedom alternative such as gEDA is likely to be preferable
to many in the Ubuntu community.  Ubuntu's gEDA packages also seem to be
slightly out of date, so you might consider helping package the current
stable 1.4.3.20081231 version of gEDA, too?

Jonathan

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