Ubuntu-LB Ubuntu-lb Digest, Vol 30, Issue 34

[Joe Rahme]

I agree with Jhonny. Priority should be given to team building initiatives,
not controversial projects on which we're not united.

Some people seem to agree with Jocelyn initiative, some people don't. Are we
an exclusive Ubuntu promotion team or an open source one? These issues,
while unclear, should be addressed. This is why a meeting should be made as
soon as possible. It would be great if people living abroad could also join
in the meeting (Skype/IRC/IM/...)

Also I also want to bring back to the table the subject of leadership
elections. If Jocelyn believe we should be an open source generic promotion
team, include it in your campaign. People could vote based on these ideas,
isntead of simply 'personnalities' and 'names'.



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>   1. Re:  High Quality OpenSource Software For Windows Users (Jocelyn)
>   2. Re:  High Quality OpenSource Software For Windows Users
>      (Thy Armageddon)
>   3. Re:  High Quality OpenSource Software For Windows Users (Jocelyn)
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> Date: Mon, 31 May 2010 12:06:12 +0300
> From: Jocelyn <jhabib at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: Ubuntu-LB High Quality OpenSource Software For Windows
>        Users
> To: johnny khawand <johnny.khawand at gmail.com>
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> a lot of people disagree with you , our aim is to promote Ubuntu/linux and
> OpenSource i guess we are all in the same family plus u can see man other
> LOCOS doing like the same idea .
>
> Regards
>
>
>
> On Mon, May 31, 2010 at 11:38 AM, johnny khawand
> <johnny.khawand at gmail.com>wrote:
>
> > Jocelyn your project is very helpful, but due to our circumstances
> > with the few number that the team is made of, i see it is priority for
> > us to build on what David has started as an effort which is very
> > appreciated and not to kill it by focusing on something else.
> >
> > On 5/31/10, Jocelyn <jhabib at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Hi All ,
> > >
> > > thanks all for your reply ,
> > > my idea was to make this  CD or DVD powered by our community and i
> don't
> > > think that there is a problem between Linux , Ubuntu And OpenSource  ,
> i
> > > just don't want aggressive windows users to run from us i want gain
> > > everybody , promote ubuntu for ready people promote opensource software
> > for
> > > none ready people then promote Ubuntu .
> > >
> > > just a small reminder i guess if i am not mistake ubutnu used to use
> this
> > > strategy in their releases ,  if you insert the cd on windows u will
> get
> > > opensource software and if you boot on the cd u will get ubuntu :)
> > >
> > > Please i would subscribe to get on to work and funding for this small
> > > project and try to stop the huge wave of getting pirated software and
> use
> > > the alternative instead .
> > >
> > > in the end i can not kill windows users :D
> > >
> > > Regards
> > >
> > > Jocelyn
> > >
> > > On Fri, May 28, 2010 at 10:33 AM, lo bo <lobobei26 at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >> Hi,
> > >>
> > >> I do think the idea of Open Source CD or DVD filled with open source
> > >> software is a good one, why?
> > >> I can speak of my own experience, I started using open source software
> > >> long
> > >> before any Linux distro. In fact, it is open source software that got
> me
> > >> into Linux in the first place. When you get into open source you're
> > bound
> > >> to
> > >> get acquainted with Linux, therefore, in a way, open source is a
> prelude
> > >> to
> > >> Linux. I do understand the argument that the team is all about Ubuntu,
> > but
> > >> after I took the plunge in Ubuntu, I didn't get lost because I had
> prior
> > >> experience with major open source software such as Open Office,
> > Audacity,
> > >> Firefox, GIMP...
> > >>
> > >> Now, why would people use Ubuntu if they can access major open source
> > >> software on Windows? In my opnion, the answer is simple: they work way
> > >> better under Ubuntu. I have used them under windows and ubuntu and I
> > have
> > >> seen the difference. On my laptop, which has Windows vista and Ubuntu,
> > the
> > >> same software, say GIMP or Open Office, loads a lot faster in Ubuntu
> > than
> > >> in
> > >> Windows.
> > >>
> > >> So, getting people to learn about open source is a first step in a
> long
> > >> road where people learn that alternatives to Windows and Mac exist,
> and
> > >> they
> > >> are just as good and functional.
> > >>
> > >> Best regards.
> > >>
> > >> On Fri, May 28, 2010 at 9:43 AM, Jim <jr.khoury at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> Off topic, but I thought I'd share this tdbit of info I found
> > >>>
> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=meego_10_perf&num=1
> > >>> Apparently, MeeGo beats Ubuntu on a netbook, though I wouldn't be too
> > >>> surprised seeing as how Intel is directly involved and can perform
> > quite
> > >>> a
> > >>> bit of Atom optimization.
> > >>>
> > >>> Jim
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> On Fri, May 28, 2010 at 9:35 AM, johnny khawand <
> > johnny.khawand at gmail.com
> > >>> > wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>> There is an effort to promote Open Source in general ( OSCLB ),
> > >>>> Jocelyn if you are interested we can work on your idea under this
> > >>>> name.
> > >>>> As i already did some exposure for it by attending conferences and
> > >>>> competitions.
> > >>>> As for the other guys also who want to work on projects not related
> to
> > >>>> ubuntu you can coordinate with me as well.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> But i have to clarify that when Jocelyn or me or anyone else who
> > >>>> proposes a project not related to ubuntu and send an email about it
> to
> > >>>> this mailing list, it is because we want you to be part of it as
> > >>>> individuals, but at the end from my part i will respect the  code of
> > >>>> conduct of this mailing list and won't send emails about activities
> > >>>> not related to ubuntu.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> On 5/28/10, Jim <jr.khoury at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>>> > On Fri, May 28, 2010 at 2:56 AM, Thy Armageddon
> > >>>> > <thyarmageddon at gmail.com>wrote:
> > >>>> >
> > >>>> >> On 5/27/10, Jocelyn <jhabib at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>>> >> > Dear All ,
> > >>>> >> >
> > >>>> >> > Long time ago i suggested this idea and i will lighten on it
> > again
> > >>>> >> > :
> > >>>> >>
> > >>>> >> Last year, yes I still remember
> > >>>> >>
> > >>>> >> > some people like Linux but cant use it or don't want to install
> > it
> > >>>> at
> > >>>> >> > all
> > >>>> >>  ,
> > >>>> >> > due to work restriction or many others reason but instead they
> > like
> > >>>> to
> > >>>> >> > install OpenSource Software on there windows , ex OpenOffice ,
> > >>>> firefox
> > >>>> >> etc
> > >>>> >> > ... .
> > >>>> >>
> > >>>> >> Yea, and that is not new !
> > >>>> >>
> > >>>> >> > why not create for them a cd or a DVD full of these software ,
> > >>>> Powered
> > >>>> >> > By
> > >>>> >> > Ubuntu Lebanon Team , it got me the idea to remaster the
> OpenDisc
> > >>>> >>
> > >>>> >> Ok, first and far most, what is the team called again ? "Ubuntu"
> > >>>> >> Lebanon Team ? Oh I thought "Windows OpenSource Lebanon Team", my
> > >>>> >> bad,
> > >>>> >> it's either I joined the wrong team, or wait a sec ! you did :)
> > >>>> >> Right!!!
> > >>>> >>
> > >>>> >> It is called UBUNTU team because it is about Ubuntu, how about
> > doing
> > >>>> >> a
> > >>>> >> Linux Application CD on a Windows team ? Don't you think that
> would
> > >>>> >> be
> > >>>> >> crossing the line ? Should I say that again each year ?
> > >>>> >>
> > >>>> >> > http://www.theopendisc.com/programs
> > >>>> >> >
> > >>>> >> > and then burn them on dvds and create a good cover that reflect
> > the
> > >>>> >> Ubuntu
> > >>>> >> > LB and distribute them .
> > >>>> >>
> > >>>> >> How would it reflect the Ubuntu LB ? Ubuntu-lb is about Linux
> > Ubuntu
> > >>>> >> and we are burning windows DVD, marketing wise it will cause a
> > >>>> >> disaster we won't be able to stop people from converting to
> Linux.
> > >>>> >> Hell no one will trust Linux anymore ! mahzalle, this is a joke
> > >>>> >> that's
> > >>>> >> what I call it...
> > >>>> >>
> > >>>> >> > what will be needed then :
> > >>>> >> >
> > >>>> >> > -Re mastering  (OpenDisc)
> > >>>> >> > -Fund it (DVDs , Printing , Etc  )
> > >>>> >> > -Distribute them
> > >>>> >> >
> > >>>> >> > i think this will be a great idea for getting the attraction on
> > >>>> windows
> > >>>> >> > users that refuse completely the idea of install Linux .
> > >>>> >>
> > >>>> >> ummm, no it won't, actually it will be the other way around...
> > >>>> >> Completely, it will look like we don't trust Ubuntu as a system
> and
> > >>>> >> we
> > >>>> >> are desperate to get users to install it.
> > >>>> >>
> > >>>> >> >
> > >>>> >> >
> > >>>> >> > Many Thanks .
> > >>>> >> >
> > >>>> >> > Jocelyn
> > >>>> >> >
> > >>>> >>
> > >>>> >> oh well, maybe you didn't get anything I said, my answer is NO
> > >>>> >>
> > >>>> >> with all due respect,
> > >>>> >> Elijah
> > >>>> >>
> > >>>> >> --
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> > >>>> >
> > >>>> > Hello all. While I do find that the idea of an open-source
> software
> > CD
> > >>>> good,
> > >>>> > I agree with Elijah that distributing through Ubuntu-lb for
> Windows
> > >>>> > computers would sens the wrong kind of marketing message. I myself
> > am
> > >>>> not
> > >>>> > exactly a Windows hater, but this UBUNTU-LB, so we can't exactly
> > >>>> promote the
> > >>>> > distribution of Windows software as that would be promoting a
> rival
> > >>>> brand.
> > >>>> > However if there is a group of people in Lebanon promoting OSS in
> > >>>> general,
> > >>>> > then maybe you should take your idea there Jocelyn? Understand
> that
> > >>>> it's not
> > >>>> > your idea that I find wrong but rather the situation of its
> > >>>> implementation.
> > >>>> >
> > >>>> > JimRamK
> > >>>> >
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> Date: Mon, 31 May 2010 12:11:06 +0300
> From: Thy Armageddon <thyarmageddon at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: Ubuntu-LB High Quality OpenSource Software For Windows
>        Users
> To: Jocelyn <jhabib at gmail.com>
> Cc: Ubuntu-lb <Ubuntu-lb at lists.ubuntu.com>
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> And I would disagree with you, our aim is to promote Ubunut Gnu/Linux and
> OpenSource on Ubuntu nothing else, stick to the aim please. Besides, when
> you insert Ubuntu CD under windows you get to install it using Wubi which
> is
> Ubuntu dual booted on windows.
>
> Please, stop trying to convince everyone with a project outside the aim of
> the Loco.
>
> On Mon, May 31, 2010 at 12:06 PM, Jocelyn <jhabib at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > a lot of people disagree with you , our aim is to promote Ubuntu/linux
> and
> > OpenSource i guess we are all in the same family plus u can see man other
> > LOCOS doing like the same idea .
> >
> > Regards
> >
> >
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> Date: Mon, 31 May 2010 12:28:54 +0300
> From: Jocelyn <jhabib at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: Ubuntu-LB High Quality OpenSource Software For Windows
>        Users
> To: Thy Armageddon <thyarmageddon at gmail.com>
> Cc: Ubuntu-lb <Ubuntu-lb at lists.ubuntu.com>
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> Elijah thanks for your opinion but we are brainstorming here and we not
> convincing and we are trying to see what people on the ground needs i work
> too much with people on the ground and i know people's feedback , i wanna
> remind u years back to the first release the OpenDisk was integrated in the
> first releases of Ubuntu , Guys try to be comprehensive  specially with
> people that hate changing their windows at least i can get near them , anf
> if 1/100 tried to ask me please install for me ubuntu that mean we won .
>
> Thanks again for your feedback
>
> Regards
>
> Jocelyn
>
>
> On Mon, May 31, 2010 at 12:11 PM, Thy Armageddon <thyarmageddon at gmail.com
> >wrote:
>
> > And I would disagree with you, our aim is to promote Ubunut Gnu/Linux and
> > OpenSource on Ubuntu nothing else, stick to the aim please. Besides, when
> > you insert Ubuntu CD under windows you get to install it using Wubi which
> is
> > Ubuntu dual booted on windows.
> >
> > Please, stop trying to convince everyone with a project outside the aim
> of
> > the Loco.
> >
> >
> > On Mon, May 31, 2010 at 12:06 PM, Jocelyn <jhabib at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> a lot of people disagree with you , our aim is to promote Ubuntu/linux
> and
> >> OpenSource i guess we are all in the same family plus u can see man
> other
> >> LOCOS doing like the same idea .
> >>
> >> Regards
> >>
> >>
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