Ubuntu-LB Ubuntu-lb Digest, Vol 30, Issue 24

Wed May 26 12:27:35 BST 2010

On the contrary, I have found that wireless adapters tend to work even
better on ubuntu than on windows. The only wireless cards that have given me
any problems were the broadcom wireless cards, and they mostly work with
b43-fwcutter and the kernel mods.

That's just been my experience from configuring a LOT of laptops for AUB's
WPA enterprise system. Maybe you've had a different experience.

Danny

On 26 May 2010 14:00, <ubuntu-lb-request at lists.ubuntu.com> wrote:

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> Message: 1
> Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 21:33:42 +0300
> From: Danny Abukalam <danny at abukalam.com>
> Subject: Re: Ubuntu-LB Get on with it
> To: Armageddon <ThyArmageddon at gmail.com>
> Cc: Ubuntu-LB <Ubuntu-lb at lists.ubuntu.com>
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> Elijah,
>
> You seem to think I was directing my e-mail at you, which is far from the
> truth. I wasn't attacking you or anyone else, which I tried to make clear
> at
> the end of my e-mail so there wouldn't be any confusion.
>
> You say that nobody is attacking nobody, but there seems to be a constant
> debate over who is at fault for ubuntu-lb not making any progress over the
> last couple of years. All I was trying to say is that this debate is really
> unnecessary and counter-productive in my opinion. It doesn't really matter
> who did what or who didn't show up to what in the past. What I believe
> matters is what happens from here on. In many situations, dwelling on the
> past and analysing every little detail of what occurred may be necessary in
> order to prevent repetition. I don't believe this is such a situation. I
> think starting fresh is the best option.
>
> As for the bigger picture, reformation may or may not be necessary, that is
> why I suggested we meet, wipe the slate clean, start over, and try to
> progress and make something happen as equals. The question of
> leadership/coordination will, I'm sure, be brought up sometime or other.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Danny Abukalam
>
> On 24 May 2010 17:07, Armageddon <ThyArmageddon at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >  On Mon, 2010-05-24 at 15:09 +0300, Danny Abukalam wrote:
> >
> > As simply an observer, I think I have noticed a recurring pattern on this
> > mailing list. Party A tries to shift the blame on others, and a rather
> > frustrated Party B and Party C continue to attack Party A with nothing to
> > gain.
> >
> >
> > There is no one attacking anyone, I hate unnecessary comments which have
> no
> > ground proof at all. Assumptions coming from the air with no proof are
> > discouraged by me, if Jocelyn did not show interest to RootSpace's offer,
> > other people attended their meetings... that's just as an FYI
> >
> >  I think I see what's going on here. Many are concerned over what will
> > happen with leadership and basically, who will be granted leadership, yet
> a
> > small minority is really concerned with the original aims of this group,
> > which is, in a toned-down fashion, to promote the ideas behind Ubuntu,
> and
> > raise awareness of the OS, if i'm not mistaken.
> >
> >
> > I don't think you see the bigger picture, no one cares who will get
> > leadership as long as the group starts working and the way I see it, the
> way
> > the team is right now, no work will be done and there is no direction.
> Mark
> > my words, and I just hope with all my power that I would be wrong, this
> > situation will die again soon just like the before attempts if everything
> > stays the way it is... Reformation is needed, in the near future if not
> > now...
> >
> >  What I think would benefit us all greatly, is if we stopped dwelling on
> > the past. Yes, Ubuntu-lb has been pretty much useless for the last couple
> of
> > years, and this is probably (but not necessarily) due to a lack of
> > direction. In the end, it doesn't really matter, because crying over
> spilled
> > milk is, in this situation, not going to get ubuntu-lb anywhere.
> >
> >
> > I don't see anyone crying over the paste, everyone is concerned that the
> > paste will occur again and again in the near future, that's what I
> > personally is trying to prevent. Please, try to look at the bigger
> picture.
> >
> >  Also, I think that it is paramount that before everyone launches into
> > having an event in the near future, we all have a physical meeting in
> order
> > to see who may or may not be committed to the team for the future, and in
> > order to have a civilized discussion. I think the politics of the group,
> > although this seems to concern a lot of people, should be the least of
> our
> > concerns. What we can do in such a meeting, is get to know each other,
> learn
> > each other's strengths and weaknesses, and listen to each other. We can
> then
> > make plans for an event such as the one suggested and we can all be
> > responsible for something. After a couple of meetings and at least one
> > event, if not two, we can begin to discuss the possible existence of a
> > "coordinator".
> >
> >
> > I won't mention the gathering we already tried to pull and which failed
> > because very few attended, I was for the meeting and I will be on the
> > meeting whatever it takes. No one is against that...
> >
> >  These are just my thoughts and suggestions, and I am not directing any
> > attacks to anyone in the group, so please do not interpret this message
> as
> > such.
> >
> >
> > Don't worry, I might seem aggressive but I do appreciate concerns and
> ideas
> > and I gladly discuss them, just like I always do. What I don't personally
> > tolerate is being attacked for working or for pointing out what happened
> and
> > of being afraid that it would happen again. I'm not afraid to express my
> > opinions and points of view loudly, I never think of the consequences. If
> > people are afraid to point out where everything went wrong and want to
> move
> > forward like nothing ever happened, I would apologize to each and every
> one
> > of those people, I'm sorry I can't and I will never continue without
> looking
> > back and questioning everyone's role in what happened.
> >
> >
> > Elijah
> >
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> Message: 2
> Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 22:04:00 +0300
> From: Thy Armageddon <thyarmageddon at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: Ubuntu-LB Get on with it
> To: Danny Abukalam <danny at abukalam.com>
> Cc: Ubuntu-lb <Ubuntu-lb at lists.ubuntu.com>
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> On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 9:33 PM, Danny Abukalam <danny at abukalam.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Elijah,
> >
> > You seem to think I was directing my e-mail at you, which is far from the
> > truth. I wasn't attacking you or anyone else, which I tried to make clear
> at
> > the end of my e-mail so there wouldn't be any confusion.
> >
>
> I understood that and I didn't take it personal. I hope it didn't sound
> like
> I did, but I do have to share my opinions don't I ?
>
> You say that nobody is attacking nobody, but there seems to be a constant
> > debate over who is at fault for ubuntu-lb not making any progress over
> the
> > last couple of years. All I was trying to say is that this debate is
> really
> > unnecessary and counter-productive in my opinion. It doesn't really
> matter
> > who did what or who didn't show up to what in the past. What I believe
> > matters is what happens from here on. In many situations, dwelling on the
> > past and analysing every little detail of what occurred may be necessary
> in
> > order to prevent repetition. I don't believe this is such a situation. I
> > think starting fresh is the best option.
> >
>
> Debate is different from attacking anyone, but if we are to be looked upon
> from above we'll have a different story to tell. When people start talking
> about others with no proof to support their claims, especially when people
> talk about me indirectly I will have my way to reply and my reply will not
> be pretty.
>
>
> > As for the bigger picture, reformation may or may not be necessary, that
> is
> > why I suggested we meet, wipe the slate clean, start over, and try to
> > progress and make something happen as equals. The question of
> > leadership/coordination will, I'm sure, be brought up sometime or other.
> >
>
> Didn't I vote +1 for the meeting ?
>
> Sincerely,
> >
> > Danny Abukalam
> >
>
> And again, I hope this didn't sound to offensive or defensive, I did not
> have the intension in mind. I did not take your email personal at all.
>
>  Elijah
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> Message: 3
> Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 22:16:35 +0300
> From: Danny Abukalam <danny at abukalam.com>
> Subject: Re: Ubuntu-LB Get on with it
> To: Thy Armageddon <thyarmageddon at gmail.com>
> Cc: Ubuntu-lb <Ubuntu-lb at lists.ubuntu.com>
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> Great. :D
>
> I was just worried by this paragraph...
>
> I never think of the consequences. If people are afraid to point out where
> everything went wrong and want to move forward like nothing ever happened,
> I
> would apologize to each and every one of those people, I'm sorry I can't
> and
> I will never continue without looking back and questioning everyone's role
> in what happened.
>
> Danny Abukalam
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> Message: 4
> Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 09:37:33 +0300
> From: johnny khawand <johnny.khawand at gmail.com>
> Subject: Ubuntu-LB Fire in the hole
> To: Ubuntu-LB Mailing List <ubuntu-lb at lists.ubuntu.com>
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> Since everybody stopped attacking everybody, let me throw something
> that most of you won't like.
>
> Unity is useless for the time being, as long as wireless connection is
> not reliable on linux/ubuntu because of the modifications to how the
> kernel handles networking and some drivers are still not patched to
> take into account those modifications.
> So till now Unity for some people is the fastest way to realize that
> their wireless network is not working.
>
> In this case what is to be done, aren't we supposed to be ready for
> "worst case scenario" where promoting Unity and ending up with people
> complaining about drivers not working?
>
> Cheers
>
>
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