Ubuntu-LB Team leadership

Elias Khoury elzalem at hotmail.com
Sun May 24 21:00:00 BST 2009


Usually in a such a "Coup", the person that's behind the Coup would be the one willing to take the leadership of the community, im addressing to Mr. Ignace asking him what is he willing to do if he wishes to become the leader, and what will differ him from Mr. Habib.

that's my first post since i subscribed to the mailing list (from some time ago), i don't actually know whether it's because i'm too lazy or over my head with work or even not motivated because of the lack of activities in this community, and i would love to see some changes if this will help more ubuntu (or any linux) users to join and become active!

I vote for an official meeting with the presence of the actual team leader, where we can discuss the future of the community. if Mr. Habib failed to reply or decided not to continue his role as a leader, then the people willing to take his place should present themselves and tell us what are their plans or thoughts...

Elias Khoury

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From: johnny.khawand at gmail.com
CC: ubuntu-lb at lists.ubuntu.com
To: danisoufi at gmail.com
Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 22:11:37 +0300
Subject: Re: Ubuntu-LB Team leadership

Before you appoint a leader, you should list activities related to ubuntu that can be done during the year.
And then the person who is capable of doing them will commit to do them, you cannot appoint a leader and then say lets see what activities we should do and later have same problem with the leader not having time. 

Since nobody has time to do all activities because of work, location it is better that there be a per activity person in charge the one who is capable of being in charge of this activity. 
Wel sama zar2a

On Sun, May 24, 2009 at 9:58 PM, Dani Soufi <danisoufi at gmail.com> wrote:

Hi Ubuntuers,

In a reply to Ignace, I would like to say that I
completely agree. Ubuntu-lb team isn't developing in any way. Many
leave the team for lack of activity, lack of interest, or just why
joining a team when nothing todo in. I don't think that arranging a
meeting once a year is called: A Team Activity. I'm personally
a member since 2006, since the first ubuntu-lb team formation, I have
never felt like working in a team, it feels like each one does his work
on his own, why building a team then?

In addition, there were couple of meetings that failed, due to it's
leader's of participation, if a leader became more busy with his
personal life, job or for whatever reason, why should the whole team
live with it?. Does team leadership mean a title? or cooperative team
work to achieve goals? What goals did our team achieve since 2006?

I hope every member of this team is aware and agrees on those lines in Ubuntu's definition of Leadership:

There are two meanings of the term leader. One is tell others what to do, the other is others follow you because you set a good example. The first concept does not work well in any volunteer organization, and Ubuntu Local Teams are no exception. 

teams work quite well without a formally-appointed leader. Some teams
elect their leader. Some, unfortunately, do have problems finding a
structure that works for them. Ultimately, however, every team has one
or more leaders, whether or not they're formally elected or appointed. 
Ubuntu community cannot, and does not want to, prescribe which formal
structure its local teams whould use. We want to document what works,
and which problems to avoid. 
A local community team leader should ... 

Be active in and part of the community or group that they are representing.  They should be visible and accessible. Lead by example, not by telling others what to do. 

eventually, become an Ubuntu Member. See here for details. 

Remind people of the Ubuntu Code of Conduct, if necessary. It's important that the level of respect in Ubuntu stretches to all Ubuntu communities. 

wearing their Ubuntu Local Community Team Leader hats, leaders should
be reasonably impartial about political or cultural conflict. Try to
reflect Ubuntu's apolitical stance and don't confuse the issues. Finally,
a leader should step down gracefully if he or she is no longer able to
be a good community team leader. There is no shame and no harm in being
too busy to do the job well, but there is in being too busy, not saying
anything, and blocking the work of an entire group. Officially documented in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoTeamLeader

those lines, it's clear to me and to few others which could agree with
me, that how currently everything works, isn't how it actually should

For this and more I want to call all the team members that consider
them selves worth being in this team for an emediate gathering to put
an emediate end to such a long lasting situation. I would give my voice
to held team elections if considered vital.

Dani Soufi

On Sun, May 24, 2009 at 8:01 PM, Ignace Mouzannar (-ghantoos-) <ghantoos at ghantoos.org> wrote:

Hi all,

This mail is addressed to all the active team members, and

specifically to the actual team leader (i.e. Jocelyn Habib).

We have had many discussions on the IRC channel of the team

(#ubuntu-lb on freenode) concerning the actual leadership of the team,

and many of us agree the team leadership can't stay as it is today.

Here are some questions that need to be answered.

First of all, is the actual team leader Jocelyn Habib still active? Or

is he still interested in managing the Ubuntu Lebanon Loco team?

It is my opinion that he is not interested anymore, but he may

disagree, in which case I would be glad to hear from him on that


Secondly, is it possible to vote to change the actual leader? I see

many team members who are much more implicated and dedicated into

building an active team of Lebanese ubuntuers, and I find it's a pity

they are slowed down by a nonexistent leadership.

Last but not least, the Ubuntu Lebanon Loco team has not been approved

yet. I find this last point quite important as is would make us

eligible for certain benefits such as marketing materials, discounts

or other possibilities. This would help the team to launch events in

universities to promote Ubuntu and Open Source.

To sum up, I am asking the actual team leader (i.e. Jocelyn Habib) to

step down from his current position and make this rather uncomfortable

situation easier for all of us.

Kind regards,

Ignace M -ghantoos-

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