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me, that how currently everything works, isn't how it actually should be.

For this and more I want to call all the team members that consider them
selves worth being in this team for an emediate gathering to put an emediate
end to such a long lasting situation. I would give my voice to held team
elections if considered vital.

Sincerely,
Dani Soufi


On Sun, May 24, 2009 at 8:01 PM, Ignace Mouzannar (-ghantoos-) <
ghantoos at ghantoos.org> wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> This mail is addressed to all the active team members, and
> specifically to the actual team leader (i.e. Jocelyn Habib).
>
> We have had many discussions on the IRC channel of the team
> (#ubuntu-lb on freenode) concerning the actual leadership of the team,
> and many of us agree the team leadership can't stay as it is today.
>
> Here are some questions that need to be answered.
>
> First of all, is the actual team leader Jocelyn Habib still active? Or
> is he still interested in managing the Ubuntu Lebanon Loco team?
> It is my opinion that he is not interested anymore, but he may
> disagree, in which case I would be glad to hear from him on that
> matter.
>
> Secondly, is it possible to vote to change the actual leader? I see
> many team members who are much more implicated and dedicated into
> building an active team of Lebanese ubuntuers, and I find it's a pity
> they are slowed down by a nonexistent leadership.
>
> Last but not least, the Ubuntu Lebanon Loco team has not been approved
> yet. I find this last point quite important as is would make us
> eligible for certain benefits such as marketing materials, discounts
> or other possibilities. This would help the team to launch events in
> universities to promote Ubuntu and Open Source.
>
> To sum up, I am asking the actual team leader (i.e. Jocelyn Habib) to
> step down from his current position and make this rather uncomfortable
> situation easier for all of us.
>
> Kind regards,
> Ignace M -ghantoos-
>
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Hi Ubuntuers,<br><br>In a reply to Ignace, I would like to say that I
completely agree. Ubuntu-lb team isn&#39;t developing in any way. Many
leave the team for lack of activity, lack of interest, or just why
joining a team when nothing todo in. I don&#39;t think that arranging a
meeting once a year is called: <b>A Team Activity</b>. I&#39;m personally
a member since 2006, since the first ubuntu-lb team formation, I have
never felt like working in a team, it feels like each one does his work
on his own, why building a team then?<br>
<br>In addition, there were couple of meetings that failed, due to it&#39;s
leader&#39;s of participation, if a leader became more busy with his
personal life, job or for whatever reason, why should the whole team
live with it?. Does team leadership mean a title? or cooperative team
work to achieve goals? What goals did our team achieve since 2006?<br>
<br>I hope every member of this team is aware and agrees on those lines in =
Ubuntu&#39;s definition of Leadership:<br><blockquote style=3D"border-left:=
 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex=
;" class=3D"gmail_quote">

<p>There are two meanings of the term <strong>leader</strong>. One is <em>t=
ell others what to do</em>, the other is <em>others follow you because you =
set a good example</em>. The first concept does not work well in any volunt=
eer organization, and Ubuntu Local Teams are no exception. <span></span><sp=
an></span></p>

<p>Some
teams work quite well without a formally-appointed leader. Some teams
elect their leader. Some, unfortunately, do have problems finding a
structure that works for them. Ultimately, however, every team has one
or more leaders, whether or not they&#39;re formally elected or appointed. =
<span></span><span></span></p><p>The
Ubuntu community cannot, and does not want to, prescribe which formal
structure its local teams whould use. We want to document what works,
and which problems to avoid. <span></span><span></span></p><p>A local commu=
nity team leader should ... <span></span><span></span></p>
<ul><li>Be active in and part of the community or group that they are repre=
senting.  They should be visible and accessible. <span></span></li><li>Lead=
 by example, not by telling others what to do. <span></span></li><li><p>
eventually, become an Ubuntu Member. See <a href=3D"http://www.ubuntu.com/c=
ommunity/processes/newmember" target=3D"_blank">here</a> for details. <span=
></span></p></li><li><p>
Remind people of the <a href=3D"http://www.ubuntulinux.org/community/conduc=
t" target=3D"_blank">Ubuntu Code of Conduct</a>, if necessary. It&#39;s imp=
ortant that the level of respect in Ubuntu stretches to all Ubuntu communit=
ies. <span></span></p>

</li><li>When
wearing their Ubuntu Local Community Team Leader hats, leaders should
be reasonably impartial about political or cultural conflict. Try to
reflect Ubuntu&#39;s apolitical stance and don&#39;t confuse the issues. <s=
pan></span></li><li><b>Finally,
a leader should step down gracefully if he or she is no longer able to
be a good community team leader. There is no shame and no harm in being
too busy to do the job well, but there is in being too busy, not saying
anything, and blocking the work of an entire group. </b></li></ul></blockqu=
ote><i>Officially documented in <a href=3D"https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoTeam=
Leader" target=3D"_blank">https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoTeamLeader</a></i><br=
>
<br>From
those lines, it&#39;s clear to me and to few others which could agree with
me, that how currently everything works, isn&#39;t how it actually should
be.<br>
<br>For this and more I want to call all the team members that consider
them selves worth being in this team for an emediate gathering to put
an emediate end to such a long lasting situation. I would give my voice
to held team elections if considered vital.<br>
<br>Sincerely,<br><font color=3D"#888888">Dani Soufi<br><br></font><br><div=
 class=3D"gmail_quote">On Sun, May 24, 2009 at 8:01 PM, Ignace Mouzannar (-=
ghantoos-) <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:ghantoos at ghantoos.org">g=
hantoos at ghantoos.org</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, =
204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">Hi all,<br>
<br>
This mail is addressed to all the active team members, and<br>
specifically to the actual team leader (i.e. Jocelyn Habib).<br>
<br>
We have had many discussions on the IRC channel of the team<br>
(#ubuntu-lb on freenode) concerning the actual leadership of the team,<br>
and many of us agree the team leadership can&#39;t stay as it is today.<br>
<br>
Here are some questions that need to be answered.<br>
<br>
First of all, is the actual team leader Jocelyn Habib still active? Or<br>
is he still interested in managing the Ubuntu Lebanon Loco team?<br>
It is my opinion that he is not interested anymore, but he may<br>
disagree, in which case I would be glad to hear from him on that<br>
matter.<br>
<br>
Secondly, is it possible to vote to change the actual leader? I see<br>
many team members who are much more implicated and dedicated into<br>
building an active team of Lebanese ubuntuers, and I find it&#39;s a pity<b=
r>
they are slowed down by a nonexistent leadership.<br>
<br>
Last but not least, the Ubuntu Lebanon Loco team has not been approved<br>
yet. I find this last point quite important as is would make us<br>
eligible for certain benefits such as marketing materials, discounts<br>
or other possibilities. This would help the team to launch events in<br>
universities to promote Ubuntu and Open Source.<br>
<br>
To sum up, I am asking the actual team leader (i.e. Jocelyn Habib) to<br>
step down from his current position and make this rather uncomfortable<br>
situation easier for all of us.<br>
<br>
Kind regards,<br>
Ignace M -ghantoos-<br>
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